And I was saying I don't know, I have never been a member of the party. I'm not politic mad like some. I just voted for them for years because I thought they cared for the working class, but is clear I got that very wrong. Please point me into the direction of someone who has a caring bone, and will act and carry out all that they promise within the current party.Well, I asked you first
Obviously I'm happy with Starmer at the moment.
As a former Labour voter you must surely have you pulse on all the labour talents.
So who gets your backing?
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Do you not appreciate that politics is the the art of the possible?
If Labour go all Corbyn (is this what you want?) they won't be in charge for long and would not be in charge now.
If you think Labour betrayed the working class (you?) you have to remember that not all the electorate are (or see themselves) as working class.
I'm (probably) middle class and my needs are as valid as anyone else's.
I want my needs met.
Given the options (Badenough and Farage), I'm quite content with Starmer for now.
Sorry to sound pissy but the nation does not want red in tooth and claw.
It rejected Corbyn, even when the tories were led by a flagrant chancer, a vain pig of a man.
Starmer is playing the long game, and you are not the only voter he has to keep on side.
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TomandJerry
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Not surprising considering average inflation was 3.5% but still worrying news
"UK food inflation rose for the fourth consecutive month to a one-year high in May, driven by fresh food prices, according to industry data
Food prices rose at an annual rate of 2.8 per cent in this month"
- quoted from the FT
"UK food inflation rose for the fourth consecutive month to a one-year high in May, driven by fresh food prices, according to industry data
Food prices rose at an annual rate of 2.8 per cent in this month"
- quoted from the FT
Barnet Seagull
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inflation is interesting isn't it. PPI has been around 0 or under for the past 18 months, yet prices continue to rise beyond wages. I wonder why that is? 
BBassic
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You know when you're copying and pasting the bit of text from the article that it's about two or three more clicks / keystrokes to copy the URL of the article and paste that too, right?
clapham_gull
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It's called "content creation"
TomandJerry
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Yes but you are limited as to how many links you can copy and paste from the FT, unfortunately once at that limit you can't do anymore
No not full on Corbyn, but the labour party has lost its values since Starmer has done so many things to effect working class, he seems to have gone all Tory.
As you class yourself middle class would you be happy to pay more tax to help out the working class?
I think Starmer has played a very short game to be honest, and that is the reason why he is so unpopular as PM if most that voted for him thought he was so going to be so underhanded he would have never got in. Can you trust anyone in life that makes out they are one thing but they are clearly the opposite?
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So what are these common sense policies of Reform that you believe Labour should be adopting ?
OK, so I am at least clear that you are a man of the left, and on that basis I can understand how you are repelled by centrist policies, especially if you did not see them coming (not in the manifesto).
As a man of the centre, and a graduate of the school of the art of the possible, I am happy to give the man and his government time (at least another 3 years) before deciding whether to back him again or look elsewhere for a home for my vote.
In the meantime I don't think it is fair or wise to be pejorative about 'underhanded' practices and what you presumably see as a betrayal of your 'trust'. I can't name a single PM who hasn't digressed from their manifesto, especially with regard to issues not actually in the manifesto.
I have answered your question and as a man of the left you would presumably answer the same.
I think I said politics and not policies.
Do you think he should be replaced by a better leader that can straighten out the polls, rather than get humiliated by a new party?
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No, I don't think he should be replaced, as I think him and his Government are a huge improvement on the last series of PMs foisted on us. But I don't feel 'betrayed' by him as I never voted for him
So what are these common sense politics of Reform that you think Starmer should adopt ?