[Misc] Appealing Toll Charges Incurred By Cloned Car

[Bodian]

I guess the only way you will get caught is if you're stopped?

Not if you've changed your number plates to someone else's car as well....

 

[Rookie]

I would send them a 'cease and desist' letter and inform them that in future I'll bill for my time. Each email £25, each letter £50. Once they get an invoice, someone has to take notice.

Why would they take notice of a made up invoice? It would absolutely no standing.

 

[Easy 10]

My car was also cloned last year. I had a penalty warning notice from Haringey Council for driving in a restricted zone, then a few months ago my insurers said they'd been contacted by a 3rd parties insurers, claiming that my car had been involved in an accident in Rochdale. Both claims absolute bobbins, my car would've been at home in Sussex on both dates. I informed Haringey, the DVLA, the police and my insurers. My insurers even sent out an inspector to see if there were any signs of repair or damage from the "accident". That was about 2 months ago, not heard anything since


I've also since added THIS to the back of my car, and sent a pic to my insurers to say "if the other car doesn't have this on the back, then it ain't me!"

 

[Bodian]

My car was also cloned last year. I had a penalty warning notice from Haringey Council for driving in a restricted zone, then a few months ago my insurers said they'd been contacted by a 3rd parties insurers, claiming that my car had been involved in an accident in Rochdale. Both claims absolute bobbins, my car would've been at home in Sussex on both dates. I informed Haringey, the DVLA, the police and my insurers. My insurers even sent out an inspector to see if there were any signs of repair or damage from the "accident". That was about 2 months ago, not heard anything since

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I've also since added THIS to the back of my car, and sent a pic to my insurers to say "if the other car doesn't have this on the back, then it ain't me!"

Can you post the whole picture please - so we can see (and clone) your number plate......

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not if you've changed your number plates to someone else's car as well....

But if you are stopped, and your name does not tally with the registration recorded at DVLA (or you are unable to give the name of the owner) surely the officer who has stopped you will be suspicious ?

 

[Official Old Man]

But if you are stopped, and your name does not tally with the registration recorded at DVLA (or you are unable to give the name of the owner) surely the officer who has stopped you will be suspicious ?

But why would they stop you? They need a reason to stop any car. Of course you could clone a druggies car with markers on, now that would be bad luck.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But why would they stop you? They need a reason to stop any car. Of course you could clone a druggies car with markers on, now that would be bad luck.

I’m suggesting the only way they will find out the car is cloned is if the plod have reason to stop you for a routine offense like speeding, dodgy indicator, not driving carefully etc.

 

[Easy 10]

Can you post the whole picture please - so we can see (and clone) your number plate......

Join the queue

I actually wanted to put RDZ on it, but Halfords didn't have any D's.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

It's a foreign country. F... off or extradite me is a possibility, I'd have thought?

(Just as long as it doesn't turn out that your son's car is the cloned one of course....................................)

And then when he turns up in Dublin for next year Europa final…..

 

[junior]

I had a similar experience with a cloned number plate using the Dartford Crossing. Fortunately the clone had the EU symbol on its number plate which mine didn't, so photographic evidence soon got me off the hook.

However, what disappointed me was a complete lack of interest from Essex police, Sussex police and the DVLA when I tried to report the existence of another car with my registration. Essex even told me to take it up with the Dartford Crossing people, ignoring the fact that I was trying to report a crime rather than avoid paying.

Police get hundreds of reports of cloned vehicles every day. How do you know they weren't interested? They will be going after the clone, not you, so you'd never know what they do.
Plus it takes them about 30 seconds to do a national ANPR search which will confirm or deny to them if there's a clone and if so what area it is in.

Falsification of a vehicle registration mark is a state based offence, not a victim (I.e you) based offence. So it's not like you'd ever find out what they've done about it and thus I can't understand why you think they weren't interested.

 

[junior]

But why would they stop you? They need a reason to stop any car. Of course you could clone a druggies car with markers on, now that would be bad luck.

Police do not need a reason to stop a car.

 

[edna krabappel]

But why would they stop you? They need a reason to stop any car. Of course you could clone a druggies car with markers on, now that would be bad luck.

No they don't.

If you're driving a motor vehicle on a road, then a constable in uniform may require you to stop at any time they want to. Furthermore, they have the power to require you to produce your driving licence, certificate of insurance, and confirm your name, address, and date of birth.

Section 163, Road Traffic Act 1988. You're welcome.

 

[GT49er]

And then when he turns up in Dublin for next year Europa final…..

...with his cloned passport. He'll be fine!

 

[Audax]

No they don't.

If you're driving a motor vehicle on a road, then a constable in uniform may require you to stop at any time they want to. Furthermore, they have the power to require you to produce your driving licence, certificate of insurance, and confirm your name, address, and date of birth.

Section 163, Road Traffic Act 1988. You're welcome.

Correct, although you don't need to have the documents on you at the time.

Friend of mine was stopped on his motorcycle a few years back. Plod just wanted a chat about being visible as a motorcyclist and handed over a hi vis vest.

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

But if you are stopped, and your name does not tally with the registration recorded at DVLA (or you are unable to give the name of the owner) surely the officer who has stopped you will be suspicious ?

The use of ANPR, speed cameras, etc are where these things often flag up but sadly to the poor person who has no idea their vehicle has been cloned. They then have to prove it wasn't their car involved.

 

[edna krabappel]

Correct, although you don't need to have the documents on you at the time.

Friend of mine was stopped on his motorcycle a few years back. Plod just wanted a chat about being visible as a motorcyclist and handed over a hi vis vest.

Thank you for informing me I am correct on this subject. I'm very glad to hear it.

 

[Audax]

Thank you for informing me I am correct on this subject. I'm very glad to hear it.

Given the passive aggressive tone I'm detecting, my post was for other readers of the thread not for you. Hence the additional info about not needing the documents on your person.

 

[studio150]

No they don't.

If you're driving a motor vehicle on a road, then a constable in uniform may require you to stop at any time they want to. Furthermore, they have the power to require you to produce your driving licence, certificate of insurance, and confirm your name, address, and date of birth.

Section 163, Road Traffic Act 1988. You're welcome.

Oh dear, no doubt its a typo but surely the failure to produce documents is S164.

Also like many others you have not gone on and referenced S165A, where your failure to immediately produce documents, the vehicle may be seized by the police if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was being driven in contravention of the licence, insurance sections.

So if you don't have your documents with you, you may well have your vehicle seized.

With photocard licences and on line certificates of motor insurance, it is unlikely to happen but the powers are there.

 

[Bodian]

Oh dear, no doubt its a typo but surely the failure to produce documents is S164.

Also like many others you have not gone on and referenced S165A, where your failure to immediately produce documents, the vehicle may be seized by the police if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was being driven in contravention of the licence, insurance sections.

So if you don't have your documents with you, you may well have your vehicle seized.

With photocard licences and on line certificates of motor insurance, it is unlikely to happen but the powers are there.

That Act was written before the days of the internet and so on. You can pretty much find out if a car is insured/taxed and so on immediately now - so they'd be hard-pushed to have 'reasonable grounds'.

In fact - three minutes, my car's ok!

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Oh dear, no doubt its a typo but surely the failure to produce documents is S164.

Also like many others you have not gone on and referenced S165A, where your failure to immediately produce documents, the vehicle may be seized by the police if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was being driven in contravention of the licence, insurance sections.

So if you don't have your documents with you, you may well have your vehicle seized.

With photocard licences and on line certificates of motor insurance, it is unlikely to happen but the powers are there.

S163 covers the requirement to stop if instructed by a constable in uniform. Which is what the conversation was about. I’m sure Edna didn’t want to bog down the board by covering further sections when it wasn’t needed. But this is NSC so there was bound to be some pedantry.