Anyone else bored of the extreme left?

[BadFish]

No, 'polls' showed that it was overwhelmingly opposed by the vast majority of the population. Your rent-a-quote, "Outraged of Pork pie land" rubbish about free-loaders and 'leftie' this and that needs to be a bit more carefully considered.

It wasn't about people not wanting to contribute. It was about people having to contribute exactly the same amount, regardless of their means. It was incredibly unfair, and not just amongst your perceived 'enemy within'.

This was how I remember it also.

 

[pork pie]

No, 'polls' showed that it was overwhelmingly opposed by the vast majority of the population. Your rent-a-quote, "Outraged of Pork pie land" rubbish about free-loaders and 'leftie' this and that needs to be a bit more carefully considered.

It wasn't about people not wanting to contribute. It was about people having to contribute exactly the same amount, regardless of their means. It was incredibly unfair, and not just amongst your perceived 'enemy within'.

Exactly, the free-loaders had to pay their fair share! Income Tax is where people who earn money should contribute towards society. Why should we pay for the spongers at a local level as well?

 

[BadFish]

Exactly, the free-loaders had to pay their fair share! Income Tax is where people who earn money should contribute towards society. Why should we pay for the spongers at a local level as well?

What on earth are you talking about? Who are these spongers you are talking about?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Exactly, the free-loaders had to pay their fair share! Income Tax is where people who earn money should contribute towards society. Why should we pay for the spongers at a local level as well?

Why are less wealthy people spongers?

 

[pork pie]

What on earth are you talking about? Who are these spongers you are talking about?

Those who expect others to pay more, so they can pay little or nothing. The ones who use buses and other local authority facilities, where-as most people only get their bins collected for the money.

 

[BadFish]

Those who expect others to pay more, so they can pay little or nothing. The ones who use buses and other local authority facilities, where-as most people only get their bins collected for the money.

ha ha ha ha ha ha. This post has confirmed my feeling that you are some kind of caricature. Well done very good.

 

[pork pie]

Why are less wealthy people spongers?

Because they always expect the rest of us to pay for them. Thankfully, this is not a socialist state. I will turn your question on its head. Why should people who work hard all of their lives, work long hours, paying income tax on what they earn, and scrape to buy better than average houses, then be required to subsidise others? Especially when the probability is they will use far less of the local authority services as well.

 

[pork pie]

ha ha ha ha ha ha. This post has confirmed my feeling that you are some kind of caricature. Well done very good.

Clearly you are one of the spongers who need to use public transport! lol

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Agree would have enjoyed a debate but have not posted because of the hatred it would have spewed forth,that's why the argument has been so one sided.This applies to all posts give a difference of opinion and there's a good chance you will be called a W****R or some other derogatory term that does nothing to move the argument forward.If i talk to people about NSC people often say they don't post any more because of this,put forward your points less aggresively and more people would listen,some moderation would be a good thing.

Indeed. I haven't been on here since you know who did you know what. The atmosphere on here has become so toxic now that I'm just about to log off for the rest of the week - in the hope that the debating becomes more civil & respectful. I can't say I'll be holding my breath though.

 

[BadFish]

Because they always expect the rest of us to pay for them. Thankfully, this is not a socialist state. I will turn your question on its head. Why should people who work hard all of their lives, work long hours, paying income tax on what they earn, and scrape to buy better than average houses, then be required to subsidise others? Especially when the probability is they will use far less of the local authority services as well.

That is called common decency, unselfishness and looking after those less fortunate within your society.

I am very happy to let people ride on buses using my tax contributions

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Because they always expect the rest of us to pay for them. Thankfully, this is not a socialist state. I will turn your question on its head. Why should people who work hard all of their lives, work long hours, paying income tax on what they earn, and scrape to buy better than average houses, then be required to subsidise others? Especially when the probability is they will use far less of the local authority services as well.

That's me! I've worked hard all my life, working very long hours. I'm happy with the home that I own, and I pay quite a lot of income tax.

I am also very happy to contribute to help those less fortunate than I am. I want to live in a civilised society that supports those who have less than others. I know a lot of people who have worked hard all their lives for a pittance. They are NOT spongers.

One of the biggest legacies that Thatcher left was that greed is good, me, me, me, sod everyone else. You appear to be the embodiment of this ridiculously selfish attitude.

The poll tax was a step too far, even for most Tories. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you think that it would have been fair, as you clearly don't give a monkey's about anyone but yourself.

 

[Brixtaan]

ha ha ha ha ha ha. This post has confirmed my feeling that you are some kind of caricature. Well done very good.

Anyway Chris you sponging ****, there's no left or right anymore, just economic management.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I am using the term Extreme here to denote the emotive abuse of politics, were statements are used to elicit emotional responses or censor, in the same way the extreme right can be defined by its emotive terms and language, hence why tories slap down members telling racist jokes. Its about drawing a line between the center right and BNP types. On the left this no longer happens.

First its the casual smears of racist, or phobias whenever an extremist hears something they fear or don't understand.

Then there is the casual attacks of the free press "Daily Mail". Funny at first, a bit creepy when all the left seem to join in sheeplike, now just a bit boring. what are they/you trying to achieve?

Now we have the rants about thatcher, this is foremost playing the player rather than the ball and goes towards setting similarstandards as the 2 examples above.

Do NSC Mods have any views? TBF Bozza was outspoken against my third point. But it needs to be said, extreme right face sanctions on here if they go of on one so why not the far left?

After all the examples I gave are to an extent attempts to stifle debate and expression. Is this relevant to a public forum?

Where is the center left? All these lefties are beginning to look the same to me.

is this anything to do with Antifa against MFE /EDL
regards
DR

 

[cirC]

The left are level headed and sensible, without too much leeway. The right have many levels of selfishness.

There's no i in left.

I'll leave you with that . . . .

Hitler was a socialist .... The German Workers' Party name was changed by Hitler to include the term National Socialist. Thus the full name was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) called for short, Nazi.
Just as in Russia,who by the way also persecuted the jews,socialists always try to blame somebody else for their own failings.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Hitler was a socialist .... The German Workers' Party name was changed by Hitler to include the term National Socialist. Thus the full name was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) called for short, Nazi.
Just as in Russia,who by the way also persecuted the jews,socialists always try to blame somebody else for their own failings.

Hitler called himself a National Socialist, or Nazi for short. That does not mean he was a socialist - clearly he wasn't.

And Russia...all the 'rabid right' reference the old Soviet regime as if it is something that those who are left-leaning aspire to. This is lazy, stupid and ignorant - the Soviets were as close to a Fascist Dictatorship as it's possible to be.

Go far enough to the left and right and eventually you'll meet in the middle.

 

[red star portslade]

I used to have left wing views but after reading the considered, informed and rational arguments of all the right wing nut jobs on here I have become a proud, reactionary, knee jerking, gun toting, xenophobic, nationalist, hang 'em and flog 'em redneck.

 

[BadFish]

Anyway Chris you sponging ****, there's no left or right anymore, just economic management.

Don't call me a sponging **** Phillip, I have seen you on many a bus!

 

[blue2]

Anyone else bored of the extreme either left or right

 

[Dandyman]

If anyone is going to be banned can it be dreary little creeps who insist on writing in American ?

 

[Weststander]

That's me! I've worked hard all my life, working very long hours. I'm happy with the home that I own, and I pay quite a lot of income tax.

I am also very happy to contribute to help those less fortunate than I am. I want to live in a civilised society that supports those who have less than others. I know a lot of people who have worked hard all their lives for a pittance. They are NOT spongers.

One of the biggest legacies that Thatcher left was that greed is good, me, me, me, sod everyone else. You appear to be the embodiment of this ridiculously selfish attitude.

The poll tax was a step too far, even for most Tories. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you think that it would have been fair, as you clearly don't give a monkey's about anyone but yourself.

Simplistic view, typical of the left, that everything was non greedy pre-1979.

Until that point, the wealthy were more often than not privately educated who made damn sure that they did business only with their connected mates though the old boy network.

The odds were stacked heavily against anyone else making a good life for them self, also by credit controls, and a snobbish class system and culture.

Everyone else were quite deliberately left to struggle on, with small hope of enjoying the choices available to the elite.

Love it or hate it, but Britain is far more of a meritocracy now than it was all the way up the 1970's.