[Football] Ange

[JBizzle]

Worst league performance 38 game era
Lowest points
Most defeats
Most defeats by a non relegated season
Openly admits he injuries players

Plenty of other clubs sack managers after winning cups

They do, but most of those clubs have a history of winning things. Spurs don't

 

[Weststander]

I can't join in the condemnation of his abilities. It all looks a bit mid era Graham Potter to me only with a European trophy and Potter's methods eventually came good for us.

They are about 12 points below where their Xp suggests they should have been. They were second to us on days lost through injuries and, until we stuffed them on the last day, they still had a positive goal difference. When the injury problems were at their worst, he has brought through some decent looking young players who will be better next year.

However, his total belief in the high line needs to change when he doesn't have the players. It has no bail out without the pace of a Van De Ven in the back four. They were eighth at the end of October when Van De Ven got injured and had dropped to seventeenth in March by the time he returned. Like FH, AP tried to stick to his ideology rather than adapt when his playing resources changed. I'm pleased to say that FH seems to have learned over the season. With Ange it could be a case of old dogs, new tricks. However, when the chips were down in the the United game, he showed that he could ask his team to do something else.

I'm not saying that Dominic Solanke is their Mark Robins, scoring the goal that saves a future club legend, just that I don't think he's a terrible manager. He's had a terrible league season, but we're all capable of growth and I wouldn't say that any of the options to replace him are a guaranteed win. Silva struggled in his second year at Everton and Frank away from Brentford's methods is an unknown quantity that could very easily backfire.

and the last 28 PL games of 2023/24.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

@Kinky Gerbil who’d be your choice out of:
Glasner
Silva
Frank

Frank for me

He improves players
Seems tactical flexible
Comes over well

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

They do, but most of those clubs have a history of winning things. Spurs don't

They don't have a history of finishing 17th either

 

[Hugo Rune]

Got to be Glasner for Spurs unless he has been lined up for a move elsewhere.

 

[Weststander]

Frank for me

He improves players
Seems tactical flexible
Comes over well

Glasner‘s 8 men behind the ball in mass defence, 3 with pace to steal counter attack wins, might be too similar to Mourinho and Nuno at Spurs?

 

[Stato]

and the last 28 PL games of 2023/24.

Average of approx 1.43 ppg: Extrapolated over 38 games would have seen them on 54 points and ninth instead of fourth. Not brilliant, but not terrible either.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Glasner‘s 8 men behind the ball in mass defence, 3 with pace to steal counter attack wins, might be too similar to Mourinho and Nuno at Spurs?

I think he played a different style in Germany from memory, guess it's a sign of a good manager, they adjust to what they have.

In Palaces case a very good defence and attack - meh midfield

 

[Weststander]

Average of approx 1.43 ppg: Extrapolated over 38 games would have seen them on 54 points and ninth instead of fourth. Not brilliant, but not terrible either.

His PL form in his last 66 games was:
23 wins
9 draws
34 losses
78 points
= 45 points per season form, despite having a €787m cost squad.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Glasner or Ariola

 

[London Irish]

They don't have a history of finishing 17th either

Controversial but I’d have taken a poor league season with no relegation worries (which Spurs didn’t have) for a trophy at Brighton.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Controversial but I’d have taken a poor league season with no relegation worries (which Spurs didn’t have) for a trophy at Brighton.

I think at one point the gap was 5 points to the bottom 3

If Spurs finished 10th and won, he wouldn't be at risk

We stank the place out for months.

Also showed he has no idea how to manage 2 games a week

 

[Stato]

His PL form in his last 66 games was:
23 wins
9 draws
34 losses
78 points
= 45 points per season form, despite having a €787m cost squad.

Nobody is arguing that they haven't been awful at getting results. They have, particularly in the league this season. I'm just saying that there are metrics that suggest that they are not completely on the wrong path. His record in the league this season is definitely sackable. I don't think the decision would be given a second thought if he hadn't won a trophy. However, he's not a terrible manager. He could easily go somewhere else and have his methods be successful.

 

[Seagull58]

Nobody is arguing that they haven't been awful at getting results. They have, particularly in the league this season. I'm just saying that there are metrics that suggest that they are not completely on the wrong path. His record in the league this season is definitely sackable. I don't think the decision would be given a second thought if he hadn't won a trophy. However, he's not a terrible manager. He could easily go somewhere else and have his methods be successful.

De Zerbi-lite

 

[Stato]

De Zerbi-lite

I think he's quite like De Zerbi in that his style has very little middle ground. It succeeds dramatically or it fails dramatically. However, I'd admit that this season in the EPL he's reminded me far more of Sami Hyypia than RDZ. His Brighton team always looked like it could play decent football, but always had a basic underlying fault of balance that made it far too easy to score against the moment anything went slightly wrong.

On second thoughts, I'm probably best ignored on this type of subject. Back then, I used to go to every home game expecting that he would tweak some small things and we might hammer someone and click. He never did. We never did.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Hope it is Frank, could start the picking apart of Brentford

Or – if it's like the departure of Potter and RDZ – maybe not...

 

[The Optimist]

Controversial but I’d have taken a poor league season with no relegation worries (which Spurs didn’t have) for a trophy at Brighton.

I don’t think that’s controversial. I think most would.

But would you excuse the manager the poor league position because of the trophy win? Within reason I think we would at Brighton. But 23 points fewer than we got?

 

[Madafwo]

The same people that said Manure should have sacked Ten Haag to get a replacement in for a full pre season will be saying that Big Ange should have been given a pop at the new season if he does go. Both stunk the place out, so the longer they hang around the better I'd say.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If that were us and Tone, would he still be in a job ?

And that's with, what everybody agrees, is the best chairman in the league. Look at what happened to CH, having a desperate season and yet still getting a result ? You can't ignore what's in front of your eyes

 

[Questions]

Glasner‘s 8 men behind the ball in mass defence, 3 with pace to steal counter attack wins, might be too similar to Mourinho and Nuno at Spurs?

Interestingly these coaches who can arrange a solid way of playing - mainly sitting back because they don’t have such talented ball players as the opposition - rarely progress to the top clubs….. Only Mourinho….

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