- Aug 7, 2003
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Gus, Tanno and Charlie
I'd like someone who has either had success with a decent national team, or success with a decent club. I don't know much about Pep, and what he was like before he got the main job at Barca.What does he need to have achieved do you think? Pep Guardiola hadn't managed at all before Barcelona.
If I were on the FA panel Eddie Howe would be my man for the job the same as I wanted him to be Albion manager before he went back to Bournemouth
Eddie Howe
Smug Eddie is in his comfort zone at "plucky little Bournemouth" - look what happened when he stepped out of that little pond and tried his hand at Burnley. The very notion that he could take on the England job is ridiculous.
Allardyce is the best of a (mediocre) bunch for me. A pragmatic no-nonsense manager who would pick a squad and instill a defined playing style and shape whereby everyone knew their JOBS. We would play to our strengths. Its time to accept we are not Spain, or Italy, or Germany, or whoever the current flavour-of-the-month football team is to try and mimic. We our England. Our footballers are thicko's who need instruction and direction, and if anyone in Allardyce's team is not cutting it, he would NOT be indulged because of his big name and Nike sponsorship deals.
England are a shambles on and off the pitch. Muddled thinking has got us where we are now. We need a manager with clarity of thought and the authority to impose it on this shower of shit - get Allardyce in this afternoon. NOW.
The FA are going to have a massive problem finding a manager that will improve things (and Hoddle won't). Part of the problem is the (false) belief that England has a team of world class players - it doesn't. Indeed with the slow decline of Rooney there isn't a single player in the English squad that is remotely close to the likes of Gareth Bale.Allardyce is the best of a (mediocre) bunch for me. A pragmatic no-nonsense manager who would pick a squad and instill a defined playing style and shape whereby everyone knew their JOBS. We would play to our strengths. Its time to accept we are not Spain, or Italy, or Germany, or whoever the current flavour-of-the-month football team is to try and mimic. We our England. Our footballers are thicko's who need instruction and direction, and if anyone in Allardyce's team is not cutting it, he would NOT be indulged because of his big name and Nike sponsorship deals.
S what exactly is it that makes England such a basket case. What turns perfectly decent players into lethargic, uncoordinated serial losers when they play for England? How can Wales, with a group of players chosen from the exact same pool play with freedom and purpose while England look as if they'd rather be anywhere else but on the pitch. Is it an F.A cultural thing? Is it the press? The fans? What is it?!
The FA are going to have a massive problem finding a manager that will improve things (and Hoddle won't). Part of the problem is the (false) belief that England has a team of world class players - it doesn't. Indeed with the slow decline of Rooney there isn't a single player in the English squad that is remotely close to the likes of Gareth Bale.
What England need is someone who can get the best out of a mediocre bunch of players - making the sum more than a combination of the parts. Allardyce has done that his entire career. I met Allardyce on several occasions when he was manager of my local team in Limerick. The clubs board signed the players for Limerick because Allardyce didn't have a clue about the League of Ireland, yet he managed to win the first division in his first season and get promotion. He was shrewd and a chancer who you wouldn't trust with your granny - but that is what made him as good as he is. His year in Limerick set him up to be a very successful manager in England and he has been the manager that has always got the best out of his players.
Since 2000 England have had -
the spoofer Eriksson,
McClaren - the man who hung on the coat tails of Fergie and couldn't manage on his own - and after England was sacked by Wolfsburg, Nottm Forest, Twente, Derby and Newcastle.
Capello - more interested in building his 'fine art' collection than actually working - he was sacked by Milan, done a runner out of Roma when the going got tough, got mired in scandal while at Juve, was sacked by Real before England appointed him and after he resigned from the England job he lasted two years in Russia before he got sacked there as well.
And Roy Hodgson - a man with a reputation built by the media but based on nothing - he has been a manager of mostly mickey mouse teams for 40 years - and the longest stint he has had in his career was the four years with England.
Allardyce won't make England world beaters - but you can be sure England won't be embarrassed under his leadership either.
Anyone but Harry Redknapp.
I heard that plonker Brazil on TalkShite this morning on about a Hoddle/Redknapp 'dream team', but also not being disappointed if they went for 'Big Sam'.
I'm not the most enthusiastic England supporter, but those three – in whichever combination – do NOTHING to help the cause.
Hoddle has been there, done that and now tries to talk a good game but ends up sounding worse than Andy 'Not for me, Clive' Townsend
Redknapp wouldn't be happy because he wouldn't have any money to spend and the 'benefits' to him would be limited
Big Sam? A big hit with failing teams and supposed lost causes. Actually, when you put it like that...
One word. Expectation.
Wales are just happy to be there, anything else is a bonus. They could have bombed out in the group stage and still come home to cheering crowds at the airport, because they've not even been in a tournament for 60-odd years. That enables them to play without pressure. That's where their freedom comes from, because they're not really expected to do anything.
Its entirely different with England. Nobody expected us to go there and WIN it, but we did expect the team to perform, and to at least make it through to the latter stages. Our players simply cannot handle that pressure, they cannot handle that expectation, it terrifies them, it inhibits them. And when you put a muddled old duffer like Hodgson in charge, mumbling and bumbling his way through the games, you also have a lack of clarity and leadership.
That's why.
Agreed.Smug Eddie is in his comfort zone at "plucky little Bournemouth" - look what happened when he stepped out of that little pond and tried his hand at Burnley. The very notion that he could take on the England job is ridiculous.
Allardyce is the best of a (mediocre) bunch for me.
I take it you're joking? We have played decent football in the past, and will again. We should not be trying to mimic Bolton.Its time to accept we are not Spain, or Italy, or Germany, or whoever the current flavour-of-the-month football team is to try and mimic. We our England. Our footballers are thicko's who need instruction and direction
Yes, so let's stop that.England as a Wimbledon or Stoke is a sobering and depressing thought
Agreed.I have no faith in the F.A selecting the right man(whoever that may be) for the job.
No we don't have anyone as good as Bale, but then I don't think Italy, Spain or Germany do either.The FA are going to have a massive problem finding a manager that will improve things (and Hoddle won't). Part of the problem is the (false) belief that England has a team of world class players - it doesn't. Indeed with the slow decline of Rooney there isn't a single player in the English squad that is remotely close to the likes of Gareth Bale.
They're not that bad. They didn't perform, but that doesn't mean they're all no better than mediocre. They're not Championship level.What England need is someone who can get the best out of a mediocre bunch of players
Then we don't ****ing want him! We want to be world beaters.Allardyce won't make England world beaters
I don't care if we're embarrassed. All or nothing - I'll take some embarrassment followed by winning, rather than guaranteeing being 'ok'.but you can be sure England won't be embarrassed under his leadership either.
I kind of understand the expectation thing, particularly in the past when we did all think we had a realistic shot at winning, but now? The only expectation is that they do their best. Get knocked out of the tournament, at whatever stage, having had a go. And it doesn't explain why they froze so severely against Iceland. These are players who play in the biggest, most scrutinised league in the world. They deal with pressure every day, they should have been able to cope with going behind in a game to a team they knew they were well capable of beating. They'd already experienced that against Wales and came back to win.