American Soldiers

[DJ Leon]

Once again I refer you all back to my original question.

Are American Soldiers any good?

As I am typing I am waching a documentary about the Casserine pass where the yanks lost over a thousand troops and 200 tanks because they refused to listen to the British.

Yes they are 'good'. There you go, no charge.

 

[Vlad the Impala]

Thank You.

America has never won a war they fought on their own.

*cough* Panama *cough*

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

I think that you will find that was the ENGLISH civil war in the 1600's

Just think on that for a sec.

Prior to the War of Independence how did Americans see themselves?

Possibly as British subjects?

 

[Beach Hut]

Just out of interest, you seem to be very pro-america. What is your tie up with them?

Think he has had several USA wives along the way.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Yes they are 'good'. There you go, no charge.

I'll bite...go on then, give us the run down.

 

[Il Duce]

I hate to be boring but I do feel I should stand up for American troops. In WWII, along with us, they were fighting on many fronts and were absolutely critical (along with the British, Commonwealth, Russians and the greatly ignored Chinese) to our eventual success.

In the Far East their succes was particularly impressive as it was against the vile, sick, animals of the J*p*nese **** army. The Americans got stuffed by the French with Vietnam. Like WWI and II our neighbours from accross La Manche did f*** all and left others in the shit to take casualties and free their sorry arses.

They are also starting to have quite a bit of success in Iraq over the past weeks, which hasn't been reported much (tabloids don't like good stories). Sadly the same can't be said in Basra, where Brown has failed to give the backing to our forces that even George W had the balls to do. Of course that isn't the fault of our forces, more our politicians.

But I don't like general slagging off of either British or American troops as they have fought magnificently over the past century, are often criticised, but it's thanks to them we (and the European pussy shit winge bags) have our freedom and stability. Both of us have lost literally millions of people fighting wars against some absolutely horrendous enemies. We're the only two countries who consistently stand up to abhorrent regimes and expect the international community to be more than one big coffee morning.

God Save The Queen and God Bless America!

 

[rbridd]

We're the only two countries who consistently stand up to abhorrent regimes and expect the international community to be more than one big coffee morning.

God Save The Queen and God Bless America!

Let's not forget the Aussies in terms of standing up and being counted.

 

[Porky]

How was it misguided if he said 'America never won a war alone' and you gave WWII as evidence? Yes, we have a lot to be thankful for when it come to the Americans helping us out, but they are too trigger happy and a couple of friends in the services have agreed with me.

Just out of interest, you seem to be very pro-america. What is your tie up with them?

BoF talks about rthe U.S. being "trigger happy" I was in Athens {Another war story coming up} in the 6th Paras 1943-44. At times we worked with the SAS. Now there was a trigger happy bunch.

 

[Porky]

Re my previous post. Of course it wasn't 43 - 44, it was Oct 44 to Feb. 45.
Sincere apologies. Just another Senior Moment.

 

[Stat Brother]

The thing that was most striking in the true account Vietnam films, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, etc, was the complete lack of disipline shown by the soliders, when the going gets tough.

For whatever reason as soon as the yanks are shot at, they have a tendency to forget their training and refuse to listen to their commanding officer and go into headless chicken mode.

Not an ideal recipe for victory.

 

[bhaexpress]

I doubt it. Without the sacrifices of the Russians, that might well be true. But the USA's intervention was never enough to win WWII.

Maybe not but is was a significant factor and remember the Russians only joined the war in the Pacific after the war was effectively won. In that theatre the Americans did the lion's share of the fighting (especially after the pathetic defeat of the British at Singapore) although unlike Europe the Japanese did pose a significant threat to their homeland.

 

[bhaexpress]

How was it misguided if he said 'America never won a war alone' and you gave WWII as evidence? Yes, we have a lot to be thankful for when it come to the Americans helping us out, but they are too trigger happy and a couple of friends in the services have agreed with me.

Just out of interest, you seem to be very pro-america. What is your tie up with them?

Well if you don't know I won't bother you with the facts but try to remember were it not for things like Lend Lease and other logistical assistance the war would have been lost by 1941. I don't say they won it alone but we would have lost without them, it's a historical fact. As a matter of fact quite a few American servicemen don't have a lot of time for their allies for the same reasons.

 

[bhaexpress]

The American Civil War?





Surely you mean the War of Independence?

That was British soldiers fighting British people so doesn't count.

Without the intervention of the French the Americans would still be part of the Commonwealth. All the hyperbolic rhetoric about the likes of Paul Revere's ride masks the fact that the 'Americans' were little more than a rabble. Not my opinion but that of celebrated American author and historian Bill Bryson.

 

[bhaexpress]

Once again I refer you all back to my original question.

Are American Soldiers any good?

As I am typing I am waching a documentary about the Casserine pass where the yanks lost over a thousand troops and 200 tanks because they refused to listen to the British.

They lost because they were raw and untried troops put up against a crack German brigade. It amounts to the fact that their troops were not much good but that's understandable under the circumstances. I don't think too much criticism can be leveled at the troops who stormed the Pacific Islands like Iwa Jima and so on. Also, their Special Forces troops are on a par with the SAS. They have the best equipment with all three arms of their military and undoubtedly the best training but that's because they spend a lot more on their Armed Services than they do on Welfare but that's a different issue.

 

[bhaexpress]

Think he has had several USA wives along the way.

Just the one Beachy but I have a better knowledge of history than most on here as well. It seems to be a trend here to knock all things American. I do myself but I am at least basing my views on personal experience and not any bias.

 

[perth seagull]

How was it misguided if he said 'America never won a war alone' and you gave WWII as evidence? Yes, we have a lot to be thankful for when it come to the Americans helping us out, but they are too trigger happy and a couple of friends in the services have agreed with me.

Just out of interest, you seem to be very pro-america. What is your tie up with them?

Every time there is a thread about the USA and war, bhaexpress is always the first one to go and glorify them at the expense of everybody else. You'd almost believe that he was a real Yank, but then he follows football and BHA. Probably just a lack of education and overexposure to Hollywood history....you can understand Yanks being misguided but this is truly sad.

 

[bhaexpress]

Every time there is a thread about the USA and war, bhaexpress is always the first one to go and glorify them at the expense of everybody else. You'd almost believe that he was a real Yank, but then he follows football and BHA. Probably just a lack of education and overexposure to Hollywood history....you can understand Yanks being misguided but this is truly sad.

hat's complete and utter rubbish, I just give an unbiased opinion (clearly unlike you) about America. Having lived there I would say I have a rather more objective experience of the place. there's a whole load of faults with the US but at the same time track back a few centuries through British History and you'll find plenty of the same sort of issues.

A number of negative contributions we have given the world are imperialism (did you know the reason why the Indian sub continent finally got it's freedon ?) Pollution, (ever heard of the industrial revolution ?) Concentration camps (long before the Nazis and that's just a few of our offerings to world society. There's clearly an anti US bias on NSC, of course I'm sure Perth you know a lot more about te US having actually lived there. No, didn't think so.

Of course it's none too hard to see your level of intellect given that you feel the need to resort to insults rather than objective dialog.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Any good? It is a fact that America has never won a war where they fought alone (and yes I include WW2 against the Japanese)) History tells us that corn fed yanks are pretty poor, and our superbly trained and capable soldiers are hampered by them?. Or at worst killed by them. When was the last time that UK soldiers killed an American in "Friendly Fire"

Not sure about us killing yank, but we've killed plenty of our own in friendly fire over the years. When was the last time any country won a war on their own?

Thankfully the wave of anti-americanism is coming to an end. It will be interesting to see though what happens if Hilary Clinton gets in.

 

[bhaexpress]

Not sure about us killing yank, but we've killed plenty of our own in friendly fire over the years. When was the last time any country won a war on their own?

Thankfully the wave of anti-americanism is coming to an end. It will be interesting to see though what happens if Hilary Clinton gets in.

Of course the other side of the coin is what sort of people could freely vote the likes of Ronnie Regan or Dubya into power twice ? That's a rather damning inditement but as things have turned out was Tony Blair that much better ?

 

[Eggmundo]

They nearly cocked it up there as well . They got pinned down while their radios stopped working and it was only down to a marine making a telephone credit card call from a payphone back to his military base in the States that saved them as he was able to give co-ordinates for air support.

That happened in Transformers as well. They obviously didn't learn from the first time! Bloody Yankee Doodle Dandies.