[News] Alastair Campbell expelled.

[Sussex Nomad]

Don't be an idiot.

We had only just gone into Afghanistan on a justified basis and then couldn't wait to start a war on a second front stretching out military and resources beyond what we could cope with based on deception.

Nope the Gulf war was never justified.

The rest of what you are waffling about is just bollocks.TB would have been destroyed by the media for going all CND? WTF? NATO bombed Serbia when Blair was PM. Your last paragraph isn't even worth a reply.

HWT is what HWT does.

 

[A1X]

Don't be stupid the Chilcot report is very clear:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36721645

A search for the term "illegal" returned 0 results.

You're right, it is clear.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Aw, is little timmy still smarting because he was put to bed in shitty pants?

There was a great film in the sixties which sums certain sorts up - 'I'm alright Jack.'

Plus ça change.

Grow up. You insinuate I'm a tory because I think Corbyn is a ****?

Welcome to a lifetime in opposition, pal.

Personally I'd rather have a labour government, but viva socialist purity and doctrinem eh?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Don't be an idiot.

We had only just gone into Afghanistan on a justified basis and then couldn't wait to start a war on a second front stretching our military and resources beyond what we could cope with based on deception, before we finished in Afghanistan and made out time in there longer.

Nope the Gulf war was never justified.

The rest of what you are waffling about is just bollocks.TB would have been destroyed by the media for going all CND? WTF? NATO bombed Serbia when Blair was PM. Your last paragraph isn't even worth a reply.

As a matter of interest, which of our current parties would you like to see running the country? If you're not happy with the current leader of your preferred party, who would you prefer to be leader and running the country?

The reason I ask is I assume from your Tony baiting and rejection of my comments you are a Corbyn fan. If not, I am genuinely confused about where all this is coming from.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Heard of food banks?....Homelessness.....been to Waitrose recently?.....did your guide-dog bite anyone living by the front door, perchance?

Yes but Corbyn isn't going to get into power to make any kind of difference..Blair isn't your ideal labour government, but was still streets ahead of any Tory government. Can you at least admit that?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes but Corbyn isn't going to get into power to make any kind of difference..Blair isn't your ideal labour government, but was still streets ahead of any Tory government. Can you at least admit that?

I think you'll find the answer is 'no compromise with the electorate', and no sensible reply to unpalatable statements of the bleeding obvious by the likes of you or I.

Shame really.

These momentum clowns are quite happy to have labour unelectable, so long as they can sneer down their tiny faux socialist noses at all us class traitors. Disgusting, the lot of them.

 

[symyjym]

A search for the term "illegal" returned 0 results.

You're right, it is clear.

Stop playing stupid games. Is terrorism illegal?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Stop playing stupid games. Is terrorism illegal?

As a matter of interest, which of our current parties would you like to see running the country? If you're not happy with the current leader of your preferred party, who would you prefer to be leader and running the country?

The reason I ask is I assume from your Tony baiting and rejection of my comments you are a Corbyn fan. If not, I am genuinely confused about where all this is coming from.

 

[symyjym]

As a matter of interest, which of our current parties would you like to see running the country? If you're not happy with the current leader of your preferred party, who would you prefer to be leader and running the country?

The reason I ask is I assume from your Tony baiting and rejection of my comments you are a Corbyn fan. If not, I am genuinely confused about where all this is coming from.

It's not that confusing, I don't play at identity politics or label myself, and I have no faith in any party or pledge any alliance to any. Until our leaders are held accountable for their bad behaviour on the world stage I will not vote at all in this illusion called democracy until we do.

I believe in leading by example and not selling out to double standards and hypocrisy because it will always bite us in the arse as it has.

If we led by example and held our own leaders to account it may not have led to the radicalisation of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the UK and abroad because we gave them a sense of injustice that feeds terrorism and hate for the west. Every act of terrorism in Europe has been a consequence of Iraq and has spread out to Africa and Asia.

Our actions in Iraq, Libya and Syria is an advert for radical Islam. If we cannot be seen to serve justice then groups like ISIS will try and serve their justice on us.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

It's not that confusing, I don't play at identity politics or label myself, and I have no faith in any party or pledge any alliance to any. Until our leaders are held accountable for their bad behaviour on the world stage I will not vote at all in this illusion called democracy until we do.

I believe in leading by example and not selling out to double standards and hypocrisy because it will always bite us in the arse as it has.

If we led by example and held our own leaders to account it may not have led to the radicalisation of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the UK and abroad because we gave them a sense of injustice that feeds terrorism and hate for the west. Every act of terrorism in Europe has been a consequence of Iraq and has spread out to Africa and Asia.

Our actions in Iraq, Libya and Syria is an advert for radical Islam. If we cannot be seen to serve justice then groups like ISIS will try and serve justice on us.

Very succinctly put. We are of an age where we really cannot trust any politician and I also agree that we are the problem that has seen the rise of muslim terrorism. Good post fella.

 

[drew]

Heard of food banks?....Homelessness.....been to Waitrose recently?.....did your guide-dog bite anyone living by the front door, perchance?

So you're saying that homelessness and food banks were all the fault of Tony Blair!

Well I'm sure they were there before Blair and there are more of both now under the Tories!

 

[symyjym]

Very succinctly put. We are of an age where we really cannot trust any politician and I also agree that we are the problem that has seen the rise of muslim terrorism. Good post fella.

Thanks. The day that Blair is taken to the Hague will be the day that Muslims take another breath and think again for a moment. I wouldn't mind the list to include Bush, Blair, Cameron and Obama but we can only deal with the main British one first.

If Gaddafi or Saddam did what Blair did we would be sending a cruise missile through his window. That is the double standard.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's not that confusing, I don't play at identity politics or label myself, and I have no faith in any party or pledge any alliance to any. Until our leaders are held accountable for their bad behaviour on the world stage I will not vote at all in this illusion called democracy until we do.

I believe in leading by example and not selling out to double standards and hypocrisy because it will always bite us in the arse as it has.

If we led by example and held our own leaders to account it may not have led to the radicalisation of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the UK and abroad because we gave them a sense of injustice that feeds terrorism and hate for the west. Every act of terrorism in Europe has been a consequence of Iraq and has spread out to Africa and Asia.

Our actions in Iraq, Libya and Syria is an advert for radical Islam. If we cannot be seen to serve justice then groups like ISIS will try and serve their justice on us.

OK.

I am not politically active in that I don't go on marches and that. But I do vote. I am in favour of the ballot box. I have always favoured Labour. So I prefer a labour government. I remember the Militant years, though. That kept Maggie in power for a long time. I fear that Corbyn and his clowns will keep Boris (yes, him -him or Farrage) in power for a long time. That isn't good.

I am more concerned about this than rerunning the wars in the middle east, and blame dumping. We won't see eye to eye on that, or anything else it seems. Sad really because the right wing nutters on here will be chuckling to themselves to see people who might be their enemy squabbling among themselves.

 

[drew]

Don't play the idiot. The 150,000 deaths in Iraq that the Chilcot report states is direct result of our invasion starting a sectarian war. If you cannot accept the report it says more about the way you like to argue. Just for the sake of.

So who was responsible for all the deaths in Iraq before the invasion then. Saddam was killing hundreds of thousands. It was going on before and it was going on after. The IBC website only relates to verified deaths, not estimates but hey, big numbers make good headlines. Chilcot makes reference to the IBC. He also makes reference to a US study which spoke to 2000 families and from that estimated deaths to be 460k!

Can't honestly say I've read the whole report so perhaps you could point me to the part which states 150k deaths were 'directly' the result of the invasion?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So who was responsible for all the deaths in Iraq before the invasion then. Saddam was killing hundreds of thousands. It was going on before and it was going on after. The IBC website only relates to verified deaths, not estimates but hey, big numbers make good headlines. Chilcot makes reference to the IBC. He also makes reference to a US study which spoke to 2000 families and from that estimated deaths to be 460k!

Can't honestly say I've read the whole report so perhaps you could point me to the part which states 150k deaths were 'directly' the result of the invasion?

Are you happy with Saudi Arabia? Allies to the UK.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So you're saying that homelessness and food banks were all the fault of Tony Blair!

Well I'm sure they were there before Blair and there are more of both now under the Tories!

We have Boris incoming, and May outgoing, and no sign of any stirring among the opposition, and some complete chumps are still fulminating about Blair not being sifficiently left wing and pure for them?

Crikey....whoever said we get the governments we deserve was right. Collectively I think we now deserve a short sharp shit shower of the right honourless Nigel Farrage MP as prime minister. Let the pure left idealogues see what real shameless bastardry looks like.

Meanwhile, yes, let's go on a witch hunt against the traitor to socialism, Tony Blair and his evil henchman, Alistair Campbell.

Honestly, sometimes I can understand where that [MENTION=31796]alfredmizen[/MENTION] was coming from. Albeit with my longer words and better punctuation, clearer insight, greater restraint and lack of islamophobia, obviously.

One of my brothers thinks the biggest evil in the middle east is Israel. I can understand how he thinks this way. But there again I can understand how some people think Tony Blair was the worst labour leader ever. It is called not using your ****ing brains. I understand that.

I'm done here. I'll leave the deluded purists to their political suicide pact. No compromise with the electorate, remember. Any compromise, and I'll be having you.

 

[drew]

Thanks. The day that Blair is taken to the Hague will be the day that Muslims take another breath and think again for a moment. I wouldn't mind the list to include Bush, Blair, Cameron and Obama but we can only deal with the main British one first.

If Gaddafi or Saddam did what Blair did we would be sending a cruise missile through his window. That is the double standard.

So, Gaddafi didn't supply arms to IRA terrorists that went on to bomb London, didn't protect the murderer of PC Fletcher, had nothing to do with Lockerbie. As for Saddam, I guess it's a myth about him starting a war with Iran or invading Kuwait, or using WMD on Kurds or the countless individuals that disappeared from their prison system.

You seem to have a very personal bias against Blair when in reality, the war was undertaken by the US. It would almost certainly have happened whether we supported them or not. And as HWT stated, had there been a tory PM then they would have gone along with it as well. Seems odd that you blame Blair more then you seem to blame Bush!

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So, Gaddafi didn't supply arms to IRA terrorists that went on to bomb London, didn't protect the murderer of PC Fletcher, had nothing to do with Lockerbie. As for Saddam, I guess it's a myth about him starting a war with Iran or invading Kuwait, or using WMD on Kurds or the countless individuals that disappeared from their prison system.

You seem to have a very personal bias against Blair when in reality, the war was undertaken by the US. It would almost certainly have happened whether we supported them or not. And as HWT stated, had there been a tory PM then they would have gone along with it as well. Seems odd that you blame Blair more then you seem to blame Bush!

He never had WMD, the lie borne by Blair and Bush, which bit of that don't you get?

 

[drew]

He never had WMD, the lie borne by Blair and Bush, which bit of that don't you get?

He did and Blix was overseeing the destruction of what had been found. What we didn't know at the time was whether there was anymore that was hidden. He'd used them on the Kurds previously.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

I think you'll find the answer is 'no compromise with the electorate', and no sensible reply to unpalatable statements of the bleeding obvious by the likes of you or I.

Shame really.

These momentum clowns are quite happy to have labour unelectable, so long as they can sneer down their tiny faux socialist noses at all us class traitors. Disgusting, the lot of them.

We’re scum