Abortion: for or against?

[Guinness Boy]

Strange analogy Guinness Boy

Hens lay eggs that are not fertilised

Not a personal dig but a throwaway comment to see when people think life does start exactly. Hens don't know their eggs aren't going to be fertilsed.

I just wonder how many of these idiots that spend their lives outside Abortion clinics in the states intimidating everyone would have the same opinion if their daughter got pregnant after being raped by her brother. Or how many of them go home to veal, steak and eggs over easy.

Me? I'm pro choice and I like my foie gras rare with Chinon.

 

[looney]

No amazingly, despite your comedy genius, I remain male. It is fairly bloody obvious, that a bloke cannot understand how a woman feels about these issues.

So the solution is to find out. From what I gather women have quite diverse feelings and Opinions on the matter.

 

[Percy Tantrums]

"Mad Yanks, opinionated and idiots"

it seems as if believing in pro-choice means that you also have the right to insult people who are against abortion.

If anyone wants to inform their opinions with a bit of knowledge on the subject they can easily do so. First talk to the agencies that enable unborn children to be aborted (and can make a bit of money out of it) Then talk to the mad yanks and idiots who give of their voluntary time to help women keep their children. Then you can decide who you prefer.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I believe the very definition of the phrases "mad yank", "idiot" and "hypocrite" is any one who wants to prove the sanctity of human life by killing a doctor, admitting to it and getting executed by the state for their troubles as happened only a week ago.

 

[Percy Tantrums]

You taint all pro-lifers with one very wrong and deluded man. Maybe you need to find out what the cause of pro-life is really about.

 

[Dandyman]

Rights are universal, priveledge is exclusive hence your wrong it is a womans priveledge.

The "its her body" arguement is flawed, its his sperm, its about holding people men and women responsible for their actions.If I kill someone in a drunk driving accident I cant claim civil liberties to keep me out of prison.

I do not mean Consult I mean Equal rights.

Best you read this................
http://dir.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/10/19/mens_choice/index.html?sid=988805

The expectation that men will "switch" to support the woman's change of heart, Henry says, is "a fundamental denial of men's humanity, as if they just exist to make the woman happy."


I fail to see what is "equal" in placing the man's "rights" over a women's. The concept of rights is also strictly speaking more a liberal than left-wing concept. A Marxist perspective would probably argue that "rights" are the expression of interests rather than an absolute derived from some abstract concept.

 

[Yorkie]

I believe the very definition of the phrases "mad yank", "idiot" and "hypocrite" is any one who wants to prove the sanctity of human life by killing a doctor, admitting to it and getting executed by the state for their troubles as happened only a week ago.

This is one person whose actions were totally unacceptable.

There are thousands of pro-life supporters who would never dream of demonstrating outside clinics or even threatening medical workers.

I do believe that women should be told of all their choices. It isn't down to whether they want to go through the pregnancy or not.
As has been said the father's should have a say, the unborn baby should have a right too.

Pregnancy is not a life threatening situation except in extreme and rare circumstances. Therefore women should go through with the pregnancy and then make their choice.
They can keep their child, let the father bring up the child or as I have said previously let the child be adopted

 

[looney]

I am not placing mens rights over womens I am trying to put them on an equal footing, hence the use of the word equal, I dont refer to "mens right to choose". If both have to an exstent choice, its equal, if one does its privelege.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

This is one person whose actions were totally unacceptable.



I do believe that women should be told of all their choices.

This is the second time you've mentioned this. Do you actually believe that women who seek to have an abortion are not made aware of all the choices available?

 

[Percy Tantrums]

Voroshilov wrote;

"This is the second time you've mentioned this. Do you actually believe that women who seek to have an abortion are not made aware of all the choices available?"


If you had ever done post-abortion counselling you would know that women are not always made aware of the choices available. Many abotions are not the result of the free chice of the woman.

 

[tedebear]

I don't really have a set opinion on this matter as every case is different...

What if a woman is raped?
What if a woman finds out she is carrying a child with severe illness or disability that will result in the child being extremely ill or in pain?
What if the pregnancy is life threatening to the mother?

I don't like the idea of terminating life but in some circumstances I believe there to be a valid reason for it....

I would love to see every unwanted child being adopted by a family who is wanting children and for some reason unable - but this means that women have to carry an unwanted child for 9 months...and that could in itself be fatal...

 

[Tooting Gull]

I tell you what I wouldn't want. Any girlfriend/wife/daughter of mine getting pre-abortion 'counselling' from some pro-life zealot, making her feel even worse about an awful decision than she already did. In your language, 'all the choices' means 'anything but abortion'. I'm getting really angry reading some of this, and find the views genuinely offensive (I imagine its the same the other way round) so it's probably time to bale out.

One last thought - why are there so few of NSC's quality woman contributors on this thread? I suspect that it is because at least some of them are privately appalled by the views on here, but don't want a public row with another DAFT bint...

(and right on cue, there comes tedebear...)

 

[mk_bha]

i got the hoover treatment done on an ex when we where 19.

no problems.

i cant fathem how ppl are against it.

if i child cant get the proper start in life then termination is fine.

 

[Yorkie]

Voroshilov wrote;

"This is the second time you've mentioned this. Do you actually believe that women who seek to have an abortion are not made aware of all the choices available?"


If you had ever done post-abortion counselling you would know that women are not always made aware of the choices available. Many abotions are not the result of the free chice of the woman.

Yes definitely. I know people who run a pregnancy advisory service who give women all the options and they are often relieved to know that there are ways of avoiding abortions.

Too often young girls especially are told by parents, friends etc to have an abortion.

As I have mentioned before not many women are told that having an abortion can affect their future fertility.

Imagine that you are 17, forgotten or neglected to use contraception, boyfriend doesn't want to know and parents insist that you have an abortion

6 years later you meet the man of your dreams get married and then want children to find that you cannot carry a child because everyone of them miscarries

 

[Tom Bombadil]

If you had ever done post-abortion counselling you would know that women are not always made aware of the choices available. Many abotions are not the result of the free chice of the woman.

Well I can only go on the what I've been told by a close friend who had an abortion and she was fully aware of her options.

Who exactly is it forcing these womens into abortions they didn't want?

 

[Percy Tantrums]

Men

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Imagine that you are 17, forgotten or neglected to use contraception, boyfriend doesn't want to know and parents insist that you have an abortion

Or imagine you are the same young women and you are being bullied, possibly because of someones religious convictions into having a baby you are unable to look after. Sure you can give the child up for adoption, but psychologically that can be worse than having an abortion.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Men

Really! men is it. Are they easy to spot these men? Or do they plot their devilish defilement of innocent maidens in dank cellars away from the view of the righteous?

 

[Yorkie]

Or imagine you are the same young women and you are being bullied, possibly because of someones religious convictions into having a baby you are unable to look after. Sure you can give the child up for adoption, but psychologically that can be worse than having an abortion.

Are you saying pregnancy advisory services that are church based are bullies?

 

[Soton Seagull]

Whilst accepting the whole abortion thing is a very serious subject. It does shock me as to how high profile it is in the US where pretty much every candidate has to go pro or anti as part of their basic politics. Theirs truly is a screwed up political system.