Abortion: for or against?

[looney]

pro-choice, of course.

woman's right to choose (it's her body).

as for 'equal right to choose', I suppose you mean a man's right to be consulted. Which is fine in principle, but who has the final say? Obviously that is (and should be) for the woman, thus making the 'equal right to choose' little more than an advisory role. So what's the point in asserting the equal right? If the woman is interested in the man's view, she will ask him anyway. If not, then she won't. End of.

Rights are universal, priveledge is exclusive hence your wrong it is a womans priveledge.

The "its her body" arguement is flawed, its his sperm, its about holding people men and women responsible for their actions.If I kill someone in a drunk driving accident I cant claim civil liberties to keep me out of prison.

I do not mean Consult I mean Equal rights.

Best you read this................
http://dir.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/10/19/mens_choice/index.html?sid=988805

The expectation that men will "switch" to support the woman's change of heart, Henry says, is "a fundamental denial of men's humanity, as if they just exist to make the woman happy."


Go on lefties, read it I dare you!!!!!

 

[CHAPPERS]

So, contraception never fails then ?

I have a very close friend you become pregnant while a student when her contraception failed. She choose to keep the child, who is now a beautiful 15 year old, but had she chosen a termination then I defy anyone to tell me that should have been the choice of a foreign priest rather hers to make.

Of course there are going to be exceptions and you said she chose to keep the child.

I said if you don't want one.

Sorry to confuse.

I also said in my first post on this thread that i am pro choice for women.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I disagree Tooting.

As stated before no-one is considering the babie's right to choose.

A baby (not a foetus) has a heart beat as young as 9 weeks into conception.

So a woman has to carry the baby for 9 months and then have it adopted if she doesn't want it?

What an awful inconvenience. Why didn't you think about contraception then?

I have had an active sex life for 37 years and only had two (wanted) pregnancies

I quite deliberately wasn't personalising this - but since you have to argue your point, how do you know what emotions you'd have gone through if you had had an unwanted pregnancy? That's exactly what I was saying, life is not always that simple, where you go through it, you have two kids when you wanted them, and no other pregnancies. No-one should demonise people for whom that isn't the reality.

But the bottom line on this is whether you ethically accord the same rights to the unborn child as the adults involved. I don't, and I can see you do. There is never going to be a compromise position on that.

 

[looney]

BTW, looney, your wording of the first two options is clever, but very, very transparent.

A privilege and a right are very different things. Surely you should consider both a right, or both a privilege? Funny, isn't it, how the one you agree with is described as a right, the one you don't disagree with is described as a privilege. Good try, though!!

See my responce above, The 60's civil rights movement began on the concept of Universal Equal rights for all, which opposes privilege. The Feminists weren't happy with this so they started calling it a right to cover any controdiction in their arguements.

I'm right you are wrong.

 

[Yorkie]

I quite deliberately wasn't personalising this - but since you have to argue your point, how do you know what emotions you'd have gone through if you had had an unwanted pregnancy? That's exactly what I was saying, life is not always that simple, where you go through it, you have two kids when you wanted them, and no other pregnancies. No-one should demonise people for whom that isn't the reality.

I would have felt exactly the same if my pregnancy was unwanted.

I wouldn't demonise any woman for having an abortion. I do have experience of other women in this situation inc miscarriages as well.

On another point I wonder how many young women who opt for abortions are warned that this could affect their future fertility?

 

[Soton Seagull]

Ultimate decision rests with the woman. I am uncomfortable with idea of ending a life because it is inconvinient, but it is, and never would be my choice as I reckon only a woman can truly understand as it resides in her body.

that said, I am fully supportive of women who get an abortion having been raped etc.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Of course it is a Woman's right ( with the agreement of the father ) to decide on an abortion subject to a max time limit which should be reduced to 4 months.

If it is stopped it will just result in lots of " DIY " jobs with serious injuries , pain to the woman and child and unnecessary hurt.

 

[looney]

Of course it is a Woman's right ( with the agreement of the father ) to decide on an abortion subject to a max time limit which should be reduced to 4 months.

If it is stopped it will just result in lots of " DIY " jobs with serious injuries , pain to the woman and child and unnecessary hurt.

Yea and women should be allowed to work with agreement from their husbands.

 

[looney]

Ultimate decision rests with the woman. I am uncomfortable with idea of ending a life because it is inconvinient, but it is, and never would be my choice as I reckon only a woman can truly understand as it resides in her body.

Your a Woman? How would you know?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Looney - Women should consult the father if he is around or if he cares before they go ahead with it, that is what I mean.

 

[Yorkie]

Abortion is legal up to 24 weeks.

I know of a couple in Leeds who went to America on holiday when she was 22 weeks pregnant. Their little boy was born whilst on holiday. He had to spend 4 months in intensive care but is alive now.

Anybody here born after 1967? You could have been aborted.

 

[Brovion]

I am 100% opposed to abortion in all circumstances. It's got nothing to do with a "Woman's right to choose" and everything to do with our callous, throwaway society. The arguments trotted out against abortion (it's a foetus, it's not human" etc) are exactly the same kind as those used by the pro-slavery lobby in the 19th century

At the end of the day it's a living being - and it's human, it's got a beating heart, arms and legs as anyone who's seen an ultrasound can tell you. As Yorkie says life begins at conception not birth.

No, I don't want to see it made illegal again. I'm not stupid, I know that all that'll do is see a return to the back-street abortionists and that won't do anybody any good. I want to see people educated to the level where they care about human life - the amount of children we've lost through abortion since it was made legal makes the Battle of the Somme look like a minor traffic accident; I wish half the energy that was put into banning Foxhunting was put into re-education and saving children.

That's my view, I didn't always have it as I did get it confused with personal choice. It's also going to be my only contribution to this thread, I won't change anybody's mind and you certainly won't change mine.

 

[looney]

Looney - Women should consult the father if he is around or if he cares before they go ahead with it, that is what I mean.

Sorry but I still dont agree, If I was in that situation I dont want to be "consulted", I want fundemental reproductive rights, arbitration via the courts if necerssary.

Oh and like it says in that article I would rather care for a child of mine myself than see it aborted.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I wonder how many anti-abortionists eat eggs in the morning?

 

[Brixtaan]

Bit of fence sitting there today Yorkie?You are obviously opinionated on this subject so can we have a definitive opinion?



On the flipside ,Bob Geldof is in the news this week saying how men are never listened to and 90% of court cases for custody of children go the womens way. when they quite clearly are not up to the job.
He's saying women aren't always right in maternal matters.discuss.

 

[Yorkie]

Strange analogy Guinness Boy

Hens lay eggs that are not fertilised

 

[Soton Seagull]

Your a Woman? How would you know?

No amazingly, despite your comedy genius, I remain male. It is fairly bloody obvious, that a bloke cannot understand how a woman feels about these issues.

 

[Percy Tantrums]

Life isn't just about making free choices, its about the responsibility that goes with it. We have laws in this country to protect the rights of children but we also has a law that gives virtually no rights to unborn children. Children can be aborted virtually upto the day of birth for a disability. However, it would be criminal to kill a disabled child once its born. Now that may be OK for some people but it doesn't seem just to me.

I must say that NSC provides a lot more interest than trivial football talk.

 

[Yorkie]

Bit of fence sitting there today Yorkie?You are obviously opinionated on this subject so can we have a definitive opinion?

I'm not going into it any further because it does get personal. I haven't had an unwanted pregnancy but I do know people who have.

Opinionated because I have strong beliefs? I make no apology for that.

I don't condemn people either for their choices but I wish that women were given all the options

 

[Brixtaan]

opinionated might have been the wrong word,but i will always listen to a womans thoughts on this because what the hell do i know? why should my opinion even count? i'm a man.