Abdel Baset al Megrahi
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Cadiz Seagull
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Regardless or not of whether Ghadaffi was involved directly or indirectly in the welcome, and despite a nice polite letter from that nice Mr Brown, that sort of reaction from the locals was always going to happen.
Personally, I think Scotland made the right decision. If he was guilty, and assuming he is dying, it's right that he should be sent home.
And if he isn't guilty then it's definitely right.
From what I know of the case there seems to me to be a big chunk of reasonable doubt. As far as I know the only evidence against him was identification evidence of the shopkeeper in Malta as the guy who bought a shirt which may or may not be the shirt that may or may not have been wrapped round the initiator of the bomb.
The guy may well be guilty but I'd rather live in a society where these things need to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
And if Jim Squire seriously doubts that he was involved then that's reasonable doubt enough for me.
But imagine the uproar if he makes a miraculous recovery!
Personally, I think Scotland made the right decision. If he was guilty, and assuming he is dying, it's right that he should be sent home.
And if he isn't guilty then it's definitely right.
From what I know of the case there seems to me to be a big chunk of reasonable doubt. As far as I know the only evidence against him was identification evidence of the shopkeeper in Malta as the guy who bought a shirt which may or may not be the shirt that may or may not have been wrapped round the initiator of the bomb.
The guy may well be guilty but I'd rather live in a society where these things need to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
And if Jim Squire seriously doubts that he was involved then that's reasonable doubt enough for me.
But imagine the uproar if he makes a miraculous recovery!
seagullsovergrimsby
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His conviction was based on circumstantial evidence. Clothing in the suitcase which carried the bomb was traced back to Malta. The shopowner identified al Megrahi as the purchaser of the clothing but it was revealed later that he had seen a photograph of the main suspect in a newspaper. al Megrahi denies he has ever been to Malta.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
- 74,274
What Cadiz Seagull said.
dougdeep
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If a Brit was stitched up abroad then released, I'd guess we'd welcome them home too.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
The conviction still stands , as he dropped the right of appeal he will never be able to clear his name so remains guilty in the eyes of the law.
fatbadger
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As far as the large majority of the Socttish victims' families are concerned, he is a fall guy - put up by the Libyan government in order to grease their new friendship with the USA & the UK. I presume that back home in Libya he is seen as someone who gave up his freedom for greater interest of Libya and the Libyans. That would make him a national hero, wouldn't it?
Guilty or innocent a lot of political mileage has been gained by his release which no doubt explains why Gadaffi sent his private jet to the UK to collect him. Strange how he was weak and frail in Scotland and yet he was able to wave his arms when he got off the plane in Libya or am I just being cynical.
Jesus Gul
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- Feb 23, 2004
- 5,532
Why the f*** can they get away with giving him a heroes welcome, just about sums those people upthis may get me banned but i don't give a shit. The only way he should have gone home is in a box
if Abdel is a fellow poster you may get a ban...maybe he's one of BHAlba
readingstockport
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/mar/31/lockerbie.libya
If you are interested in reading more than the bollocks produced by the CIA feel free to torrent this and read it. Be prepared to re-asses your view that he is guilty though.
Lockerbie - The flight from Justice, Private Eye special report (download torrent) - TPB
It was the PFLPGC with Syrian backing. Libya had nothing to do with it.
If you are interested in reading more than the bollocks produced by the CIA feel free to torrent this and read it. Be prepared to re-asses your view that he is guilty though.
Lockerbie - The flight from Justice, Private Eye special report (download torrent) - TPB
It was the PFLPGC with Syrian backing. Libya had nothing to do with it.
Malcolm Millichip
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- Jun 9, 2009
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It is quite preposterous to think that Megrahi should have ever been convicted of this heinous crime in the first place considering the available evidence.
Of course this pours even more grief upon the friends and family of the victims who have no closure knowing the murderers where never brought to justice.
Syrian involvement was always where the informed opinions lay.
Of course this pours even more grief upon the friends and family of the victims who have no closure knowing the murderers where never brought to justice.
Syrian involvement was always where the informed opinions lay.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
could not have put it better myself
any welcome that he did have might just have been the fact that the welcomers are glad he can die at home.
this is called compassion ...and yes if someone I loved died in that crash I would still feel the same
Leekbrookgull
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Readingstockport,there is a lot in that piece by Paul Foot. I still think this has Tony Blairs fingerprints all over and i do wonder if he was trying to secure Britians long-term oil supply/needs ?
readingstockport
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If you read Lockerbie, The Flight From Justice written by Foot and published by Private Eye, then Paul Foot puts forward quite convincing arguments that the bomb was a revenge attack carried out by the PFLPGC which was then based in Syria and IIRC headed by Abu Nidal and financed by Iran in revenge for the shooting down of an Iranian airbus by the USS Vincennes. An act incidentally for which the US has still not appologised or paid reparations I believe although I stand to be corrected
Unfortunately at the time of the first gulf war the US desperately needed syria on side and it was only then that Libya became the fall guy following a stitch up between thatcher and bush senior.
Megrahi was 'surrendered' by libya, desperate to regain legitimate access to world oil markets, in the expectation that with such laughable and flimsy 'evidence' he could not possibly be convicted and in fact his co-defendant was accquited. Unfortunately despite overwhelming evidence of his innocence he was convicted and the actual guilty, a PFLPGC cell based in West Germany were allowed to walk away from this crime.
It is one of the biggest miscariages of justice in the UK in the past 20 years.
Unfortunately at the time of the first gulf war the US desperately needed syria on side and it was only then that Libya became the fall guy following a stitch up between thatcher and bush senior.
Megrahi was 'surrendered' by libya, desperate to regain legitimate access to world oil markets, in the expectation that with such laughable and flimsy 'evidence' he could not possibly be convicted and in fact his co-defendant was accquited. Unfortunately despite overwhelming evidence of his innocence he was convicted and the actual guilty, a PFLPGC cell based in West Germany were allowed to walk away from this crime.
It is one of the biggest miscariages of justice in the UK in the past 20 years.
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ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
It's distasteful from our perspective, but turn it on it's head - if we thought that one of our citizens was jailed for years despite us thinking that he was innocent, we'd be celebrating his return. It's to be expected. Of course, if he was really guilty then it's horrendous, but the court case was rather suspect, and he was convicted without a huge amount of evidence to go on.
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Yes why not post a load of crap from that leftwing shitrag. Like the usual crap from this laughable paper it never suggests what should be done as an alternative. Thats when you realise how piss ignorant and morally dubious socialists are.
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Ah yes so its all our/ The USA's fault anyway, how did I know you were going to reach that concluision?
Of course you dont look back any further to the USA embassy hostage seige, or the Iranian involvement in the bombing of the US Marines barracks in beirut in 1984.
BTW
Readingstockport has me on ignore because I make him look stupid. Having me on ignore just makes it easier.
readingstockport
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Erm, you really are one of the thickest ***** on this board aren't you dick wad?
If you read what I wrote, instead of what dribbles up from your warped semi-functioning brain, you'll see I said it was the PFLPGC funded by Iran and based in Syria. It was in revenge for something the US did, yes, but for f*** sake pull your head out of whatever arse you've stuck it up this week and think for once.
And you don't go back to look at the US imposition of Saddam on Iraq and the Us support of the old shah of persia in his despotic rule do you?
Oh, I occasionally read your dribbles when they are in reply to me. It's a f***ing waste of time but I still do. Rather like slowing down to look at a car crash - and f*** knows you are a hell of a car crash.
Moron.
If you read what I wrote, instead of what dribbles up from your warped semi-functioning brain, you'll see I said it was the PFLPGC funded by Iran and based in Syria. It was in revenge for something the US did, yes, but for f*** sake pull your head out of whatever arse you've stuck it up this week and think for once.
And you don't go back to look at the US imposition of Saddam on Iraq and the Us support of the old shah of persia in his despotic rule do you?
Oh, I occasionally read your dribbles when they are in reply to me. It's a f***ing waste of time but I still do. Rather like slowing down to look at a car crash - and f*** knows you are a hell of a car crash.
Moron.