A sensible United fan....

[El Presidente]

Some people just can't handle change can they

Edward Scissorhands is one of them.

 

[Spanish Seagulls]

QPR actually sit next to one of the most deprived estates anywhere, White City.

 

[SeagullSongs]

I enjoyed the article, but the whole purpose of it seems to be trying to escape the generalisations of Liverpool and yet at the end he assumes that everywhere in London is wealthy. I'm sure he does know that not everyone in London is wealthy though.
To me it didn't seem overly anti-Thatcher, but maybe I don't appreciate it because I didn't live through that era?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

That's what you have taken from it - a lot of us have seen the sly digs and prejudiced/stereotypical language the article writer has used throughout - seems like someone with a huge chip on his shoulder about the middle classes.

Well of course. As I am expressing my opinion.

 

[rool]

Edward Scissorhands is one of them.

I like it

 

[W.C.]

Agreed, I don't take well to United complaining about the commercialisation of football. They almost single-handedly created this mess, they should live with the consequences like everyone else.

Yep. The original sell outs. The club, all the other big clubs in the world, strove to be like.

 

[Gullys Cats]

Who know? One of the better articles i've read of late about football. Bit of a read but well worth it



Source: A fine lung

I've been looking for a good book for my holiday, lol, thanks x

 

[Bean]

Typical bitter, moaning northerner.

 

[Seagull58]

I enjoyed the article, but the whole purpose of it seems to be trying to escape the generalisations of Liverpool and yet at the end he assumes that everywhere in London is wealthy. I'm sure he does know that not everyone in London is wealthy though.
To me it didn't seem overly anti-Thatcher, but maybe I don't appreciate it because I didn't live through that era?

I lived through the Thatcher era and the precedinig disaster that was the Heath - Wilson-Callaghan era. The 3 day week, the winter of discontent, rubbish piled high in the parks, rats breeding in the rubbish. I'll stop there.

 

[drew]

Well written but full of shit. As others have said, he was happy milking the glory of Utd when the prem started and the first 15 years when Utd were the dominant force but now he doesn't like and probably more so because of the rise of City, he puts pen to paper. Won't change a thing though.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Just as long as they're cooked properly

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Dull, outdated & confused. Anti London Tory & anti the 'red' Reds of Liverpool simultaneously. Big town United sold out to the corporate dollar long ago, maybe he should move to Torquay & vote Liberal

 

[Peever]

I've been looking for a good book for my holiday, lol, thanks x

Glad I can help

 

[life on mars 73]

i wonder what kind of house & street the writer lives in ? I detect some middle class self-hate here.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

To me it didn't seem overly anti-Thatcher, but maybe I don't appreciate it because I didn't live through that era?

I thought he was just stating the facts about Thatcher. I did live through that era, and while I can just about understand the views of some who think differently, in my opinion she and her government caused a lot of suffering. The south didn't come out of it too badly, but in general, the further north you go, the worse it was, because that's where a lot of the manufacturing jobs disappeared. She tried to run the country like her father's grocery business, not caring that people's livelihoods were at stake. The gap between the rich and poor began seriously to accelerate under her and hasn't stopped.

But then I'm a middle-class/champagne socialist (although I never touch the stuff) so I probably would think that.

 

[Mike's Small]

Manchester United should never (NEVER) be called 'United'. There are loads of other 'Uniteds'.

 

[El Presidente]

Manchester United should never (NEVER) be called 'United'. There are loads of other 'Uniteds'.

...........and they're not from Manchester either!

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Manchester United should never (NEVER) be called 'United'. There are loads of other 'Uniteds'.

Absolutely, completely correct.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

The author comes across as being well balanced (i.e. having a chip on both shoulders) - but of largely ill informed Manchester-centric out of date rhetoric. As a footie fan he is entitled to be passionate about his club and if he is a genuine life long fan then I could sympathise with his ire towards the Glazers. However he badly let down his case with the crap about London which only looks to perpetuate some of the myths about the north / south divide.

I used to work with loads of guys from oooop north (many of them Man U fans) in the 70's/80's and while they used to moan about how hard done by they were, it was mostly them who were driving around in new cars, owning new family homes, having a couple of foreign holidays a year and boasting about having a miniscule mortgage, all whilst spouting crap about the streets south of somehwere near Nottingham all being paved with gold. I used to delight in pointing out that due to silly property prices I and many of my colleagues down South either couldn't afford a mortgage or were being crucified by the repayments for a basic two up/two down, were driving around in old bangers and could only dream of having a foreign holiday, yet the same pay scales applied north or south. They struggled to grasp this. What we did agree upon was the plight of those out of work and acknowledged that it must have been desperate times for those up North whose industries were in terminal decline and prospects of employment pretty bleak.

Finally the one thing the Man U fans did used to get pissed off even back then about was the growing trend for plastic fans from Baslidon or Guildford, interesting that he is happy put up with the Essex plastics, maybe he thinks that it is somewhere near Cheshire.