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[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Crikey 10 pages on this, loads didn't get to the game Saturday because of the weather it was bloody carnage.

Don't fret, the club has publicly thanked them for their amazing support

 

[MattBackHome]

Crikey 10 pages on this, loads didn't get to the game Saturday because of the weather it was bloody carnage.

Quick tip: head to settings and change your options to '41 posts per page'. Hey presto much less clicking.

 

[Palacefinder General]

Crikey 10 pages on this, loads didn't get to the game Saturday because of the weather it was bloody carnage.

There have been 10 page+ threads on a lot more irrelevant shite than this one on here in the last 20 years. At least it’s BHA related.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Would be interesting to know if the actual attendance i.e bums on seats is regarded as commercially sensitive information. If not, don't see any reason why it shouldn't be publicly available somewhere to allow those with an interest in such things to fill their boots. The number of punters clicking through the turnstiles is clearly a known number.

 

[blue-shifted]

Would be interesting to know if the actual attendance i.e bums on seats is regarded as commercially sensitive information. If not, don't see any reason why it shouldn't be publicly available somewhere to allow those with an interest in such things to fill their boots. The number of punters clicking through the turnstiles is clearly a known number.

Doubt it’s commercially sensitive, the club just don’t feel that they have to downplay themselves when all the other clubs announce it as tickets sold. What would they gain by releasing the data?

 

[blue-shifted]

Quick tip: head to settings and change your options to '41 posts per page'. Hey presto much less clicking.

Bloody hell

Thanks

 

[Wozza]

Would be interesting to know if the actual attendance i.e bums on seats is regarded as commercially sensitive information. If not, don't see any reason why it shouldn't be publicly available somewhere to allow those with an interest in such things to fill their boots. The number of punters clicking through the turnstiles is clearly a known number.

Anyone can out in an FOI request if they really have to.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878

 

[Bozza]

Would be interesting to know if the actual attendance i.e bums on seats is regarded as commercially sensitive information. If not, don't see any reason why it shouldn't be publicly available somewhere to allow those with an interest in such things to fill their boots. The number of punters clicking through the turnstiles is clearly a known number.

The last response I had on this was in April 2016, to which Brighton and Hove Council said:

The information you have requested regarding capacity figures for the Amex Stadium’s actual attendance figures for the current 2015-16 season is held by Brighton & Hove City Council but is being withheld because we consider that the exemption under Section 43 (2) of the Act applies to the information.

Section 43 (2) of the Act provides an exemption from disclosure of information which would be likely to prejudice the commercial interests of any person (including those of the Council and other businesses).

A commercial interest can arise in a number of different circumstances. However, in broad terms, a commercial interest relates to any person's ability to buy or sell goods or services or to operate effectively without undermining its trading position.

In considering the exemptions at section 43(2) we have considered the balance of the public interest arguments for and against disclosure. We recognise that there is a public interest in transparency and accountability in public decision making.

We have also considered the public interest in maintaining the exemption in this area. We believe that there is a strong public interest to withhold the information because the Brighton & Hove Albion FC have informed us that the information is used by the caterers and sponsors, who use the attendance information to calculate the value of their sponsorship rights and contracts. Even more significant for the stadium is that other clubs use attendance information to work out the club’s possible future revenues and therefore how much Brighton & Hove Albion will have to spend on player budgets, which is likely to prejudice the team’s competitive edge.

Taking the likely prejudice outlined above into account, we are satisfied that the public interest in withholding the requested information in this respect outweighs the public interest in disclosure.​

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The last response I had on this was in April 2016, to which Brighton and Hove Council said:

The information you have requested regarding capacity figures for the Amex Stadium’s actual attendance figures for the current 2015-16 season is held by Brighton & Hove City Council but is being withheld because we consider that the exemption under Section 43 (2) of the Act applies to the information.

Section 43 (2) of the Act provides an exemption from disclosure of information which would be likely to prejudice the commercial interests of any person (including those of the Council and other businesses).

A commercial interest can arise in a number of different circumstances. However, in broad terms, a commercial interest relates to any person's ability to buy or sell goods or services or to operate effectively without undermining its trading position.

In considering the exemptions at section 43(2) we have considered the balance of the public interest arguments for and against disclosure. We recognise that there is a public interest in transparency and accountability in public decision making.

We have also considered the public interest in maintaining the exemption in this area. We believe that there is a strong public interest to withhold the information because the Brighton & Hove Albion FC have informed us that the information is used by the caterers and sponsors, who use the attendance information to calculate the value of their sponsorship rights and contracts. Even more significant for the stadium is that other clubs use attendance information to work out the club’s possible future revenues and therefore how much Brighton & Hove Albion will have to spend on player budgets, which is likely to prejudice the team’s competitive edge.

Taking the likely prejudice outlined above into account, we are satisfied that the public interest in withholding the requested information in this respect outweighs the public interest in disclosure.​

Ah right, cheers for that [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION]. Would appear that it IS all down to 'commercial interests' then. Which clearly overrides any concerns about insulting the intelligence of those that can actually be bothered to go to a game

Maybe the club should just do the decent thing and not announce it in the stadium at all.

 

[Bozza]

Ah right, cheers for that [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION]. Would appear that it IS all down to 'commercial interests' then. Which clearly overrides any concerns about insulting the intelligence of those that can actually be bothered to go to a game

Maybe the club should just do the decent thing and not announce it in the stadium at all.

The council did let slip once, way back in November 2014 as detailed on this thread: https://www.northstandchat.com/show...t-I-d-say-16000-or-less-through-the-turnstile in this post: https://www.northstandchat.com/show...he-turnstile&p=6649101&viewfull=1#post6649101

The stated attendance was 23,044 and the council's numbers indicated an actual attendance of 16,133. For context it was a Tuesday night game against Wigan, Sami Hyypia was our manager and we'd not recorded a win in our previous 11 league fixtures.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

The last response I had on this was in April 2016, to which Brighton and Hove Council said:

blah blah etc etc

Section 43 (2) of the Act provides an exemption from disclosure of information which would be likely to prejudice the commercial interests of any person (including those of the Council and other businesses). Even more significant for the stadium is that other clubs use attendance information to work out the club’s possible future revenues and therefore how much Brighton & Hove Albion will have to spend on player budgets, which is likely to prejudice the team’s competitive edge.
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what a load of tosh! the attendances presented are the number of tickets sold, which is the actual revenue of the club. If they wanted other clubs to have an incorrect picture of our revenues, then presenting the actual number of people through the gates is more likely to achieve that.

 

[Bozza]

what a load of tosh! the attendances presented are the number of tickets sold, which is the actual revenue of the club. If they wanted other clubs to have an incorrect picture of our revenues, then presenting the actual number of people through the gates is more likely to achieve that.

Oh it's clearly all a load of bullshit that strongly hints that the club just told the council "we'd rather you don't tell anyone please".

It also completely ignores:

- Annually, the club itself publishes accounts that breaks revenue down into each stream.
- In the heady world of the Premier League, attendance income is dwarfed by media income, all of which is specifically detailed in the public domain. (I fully concede we weren't a PL club then)

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

what a load of tosh! the attendances presented are the number of tickets sold, which is the actual revenue of the club. If they wanted other clubs to have an incorrect picture of our revenues, then presenting the actual number of people through the gates is more likely to achieve that.

And of what significance is that financial BS to the actual people going through the gates? Precisely the square root of FA, I'd suggest. Why even announce in the stadium?

 

[oneillco]

The frustrating things about this is that my young lad, who is basically 4th gen, dyed in the wool Albion (because of my spectacular effort of brain washing and indoctrination since day dot) can’t get a ST, as can’t 8000 others. It’s not like he can’t get to any games, but I can’t help thinking that the club, long term will be better off when the flakey middle class Liverpool and Spurs fans with popcorn bugger off. We might get a better atmosphere as well.

As we are in our eighth year at The AMEX and season tickets have been sold out for most of those it's odd that you talk about us being better off when "flakey middle class Liverpool and Spurs fans with popcorn bugger off". A lot of people have migrated from around the UK to Brighton in the last 20 years, and it's no surprise that some of them go to our matches - good! And I know several who are bringing up their kids as Albion fans. Like every club we get attendees who are not committed fans; over the years I've brought about a dozen friends to matches who support other clubs - is this is a bad thing? In terms of poor atmosphere - the reasons have been done to death on here; but the fact that the NS isn't big enough and has two separate singing factions don't help.

 

[Palacefinder General]

^ Move the away fans to the northern half of the ESL, put the 35 people who currently occupy that section in the SWC, get the SWC fans up to the NWC to create an ‘elongated’ North stocked with fans who want to create an atmosphere, and who would now be playing off the newly close-by away section, which has the added benefit of moving the away fans from behind one of our goals; away fans should not be behind a goal imho.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

^ Move the away fans to the northern half of the ESL, put the 35 people who currently occupy that section in the SWC, get the SWC fans up to the NWC to create an ‘elongated’ North stocked with fans who want to create an atmosphere, and who would now be playing off the newly close-by away section, which has the added benefit of moving the away fans from behind one of our goals; away fans should not be behind a goal imho.

Not a bad idea but would look better on the Tele if the cameras were positioned in the East terrace facing the West Stand. As it stands the cameras would be showing a vast sway of away fans straight on.

 

[BeHereNow]

^ Move the away fans to the northern half of the ESL, put the 35 people who currently occupy that section in the SWC, get the SWC fans up to the NWC to create an ‘elongated’ North stocked with fans who want to create an atmosphere, and who would now be playing off the newly close-by away section, which has the added benefit of moving the away fans from behind one of our goals; away fans should not be behind a goal imho.

E1A, E1B, E1C, E3A, E3B and E3C are pretty much a perfect fit for 3,000 away fans. The North Stand and Palace singing at each other would be great. We don’t get that at The Amex now, and I feel like we are missing out. It would definitely give a better atmosphere, but it won’t happen because of the amount of season ticket holders in those blocks.

 

[Joey'The Bull'Gambino]

Management must have surely considered the TV cameras facing the East Stand.Can it really be so hard to switch?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Management must have surely considered the TV cameras facing the East Stand.Can it really be so hard to switch?

If you've done the stadium tour, you will have seen the specific platform at the front of West stand upper, complete with built in cables for television. Commentators sit there alongside the cameras.
There are camera positions elsewhere in the ground, but that is the main broadcasting area. Journalists are also in the west but in the lower section.

 

[Wozza]

Not a bad idea but would look better on the Tele if the cameras were positioned in the East terrace facing the West Stand. As it stands the cameras would be showing a vast sway of away fans straight on.

Management must have surely considered the TV cameras facing the East Stand.Can it really be so hard to switch?

There's a very good reason why the main broadcast cameras are usually in the west stand of British football grounds...