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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


  • Total voters
    1,081


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
A fresh bowl of Birds would probably make more sense than him right now.

Well done.I didn't expect a schoolkid to know about Birds.Have you done the Custard Factory Tour?
 






Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,808
Hove
Another quality candidate :thumbsup:

BREXIT PARTY
Claire Fox
One of Britain’s most prominent libertarian voices, Ms Fox, 58, is a writer, broadcaster and free-speech campaigner. She has been a scourge of the liberal left.


I had no idea you were a supporter of the Revolutionary Communist Party. She makes Corbyn look a bit Tony Blair-Left. Good for you.
 




nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,611
Gods country fortnightly

History will judge Carole Cadwalladr well for digging up so much dirt on the dodgy vote of 2016. We still don't know where a lot of the dark money that fueled the lies came from

In days gone by the Beeb would have doing this investigative stuff, they used to be good at it. But no longer, they seem terrified of questioning anything about the legitimacy of Brexit for fear of retribution from the Tory government
 




nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,611
Gods country fortnightly
I had no idea you were a supporter of the Revolutionary Communist Party. She makes Corbyn look a bit Tony Blair-Left. Good for you.

It is bizarre Farage that attracted all kinds of odd balls in the his sect...
 


Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,378
History will judge Carole Cadwalladr well for digging up so much dirt on the dodgy vote of 2016. We still don't know where a lot of the dark money that fueled the lies came from

In days gone by the Beeb would have doing this investigative stuff, they used to be good at it. But no longer, they seem terrified of questioning anything about the legitimacy of Brexit for fear of retribution from the Tory government

It's encouraging to know there are still people out there who are brave enough to call out the lies and duplicity; it's a rallying cry for the rest of us.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,611
Gods country fortnightly
It's encouraging to know there are still people out there who are brave enough to call out the lies and duplicity; it's a rallying cry for the rest of us.

Its not just Brexit, democracy is being undermined all over the world from a wave is misinformation and lies. Things are out of control, we should be passing legislation to sort thing outs, but these lies have crippled our country and paralysed our parliament
 




Jan 30, 2008
31,981
We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether.

We are at that stage now, Brexit is at a stalemate, the Tories can change their leader, it changes nothing.
that's correct , the vote was to leave the EU but the parody in Westminster seem to have forgot the result hence the stalemate # the Brexit party
regards
DR
 


Jan 30, 2008
31,981
Its not just Brexit, democracy is being undermined all over the world from a wave is misinformation and lies. Things are out of control, we should be passing legislation to sort thing outs, but these lies have crippled our country and paralysed our parliament
AND BAD LOSERS
regards
DR
 








Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,378
Its not just Brexit, democracy is being undermined all over the world from a wave is misinformation and lies. Things are out of control, we should be passing legislation to sort thing outs, but these lies have crippled our country and paralysed our parliament

...meanwhile their inconsequential functionaries on the front line - (people like Ppf) continue to do their dirty work
 








Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
50,200
Faversham
...meanwhile their inconsequential functionaries on the front line - (people like Ppf) continue to do their dirty work

Easy to ignore, if on ignore. I read it for a few years but there is absolutely nothing to see there. A dog whistle for 3 legged dogs :shrug:
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Have Remainers lost perspective?

Catastrophising, as Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt note in their recent book The Coddling of the American Mind, is what we do when we believe that something is far worse than it is, usually after an event or moment has challenged our values and beliefs. Psychologists associate catastrophising with the parallel traits of overthinking, magnification, feelings of helplessness and a tendency to view an event (or an election result) as being much worse, dire or severe than it really was.

When prominent Remainers compare Eurosceptics to Nazis, or modern-day Britain to the Weimar Republic, they are engaging in something that has defined much of our post-referendum debate: liberal ‘catastrophising’ – a cognitive distortion leading them to expect, and become obsessed by, the worst of all possible outcomes.

The distortion means that Brexit is not an uncomfortable democratic result but rather signals the rebirth of fascism. The 2016 referendum was not a valid democratic exercise but was hijacked by the Russians. The ERG is not a fringe group of eccentric Eurosceptic reactionaries who are obsessed about trade but is somehow equivalent to the virulent anti-Semitic, white supremacist and revolutionary Nazis, and so on.

The irony is that liberal catastrophisers engage in exactly the same behaviour that they associate with populists and Right-wing extremists; they overgeneralise; they label others; they engage in Manichean ‘good-versus-bad’ dichotomous thinking; they lose perspective; and they become obsessed with apocalyptic-style scenarios.

Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, they cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning.


https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/

Yes .... yes, they have. :mad:
 




The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
24,540
West is BEST
Have Remainers lost perspective?

Catastrophising, as Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt note in their recent book The Coddling of the American Mind, is what we do when we believe that something is far worse than it is, usually after an event or moment has challenged our values and beliefs. Psychologists associate catastrophising with the parallel traits of overthinking, magnification, feelings of helplessness and a tendency to view an event (or an election result) as being much worse, dire or severe than it really was.

When prominent Remainers compare Eurosceptics to Nazis, or modern-day Britain to the Weimar Republic, they are engaging in something that has defined much of our post-referendum debate: liberal ‘catastrophising’ – a cognitive distortion leading them to expect, and become obsessed by, the worst of all possible outcomes.

The distortion means that Brexit is not an uncomfortable democratic result but rather signals the rebirth of fascism. The 2016 referendum was not a valid democratic exercise but was hijacked by the Russians. The ERG is not a fringe group of eccentric Eurosceptic reactionaries who are obsessed about trade but is somehow equivalent to the virulent anti-Semitic, white supremacist and revolutionary Nazis, and so on.

The irony is that liberal catastrophisers engage in exactly the same behaviour that they associate with populists and Right-wing extremists; they overgeneralise; they label others; they engage in Manichean ‘good-versus-bad’ dichotomous thinking; they lose perspective; and they become obsessed with apocalyptic-style scenarios.

Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, they cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning.


https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/

Yes .... yes, they have. :mad:

In that book, they are applying their broad social dogma to a situation they do not understand and are observing from afar. Most of their stock psychological views simply do not stand up to scrutiny when applied to what we know about the impact of Brexit.
They’re quite credible people, to a degree but they fail to acknowledge the specific nuances of Brexit and cannot be seen as credible on this particular subject.
They’re also just plain wrong about a lot of it.
 


Grombleton

Surrounded by <div>s
Dec 31, 2011
7,356
Well done.I didn't expect a schoolkid to know about Birds.Have you done the Custard Factory Tour?

Ah, the schoolkid retort. Running out of ideas I see.
 


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