[Albion] Youssef En-Nesyri

CheeseRolls said:

Who is the "we" you speak for and what are silvers?

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SeagullCrow said:

I was struggling to get my head around why we didn't just trigger his release clause in his contract and get the player in, and stumbled across this website (which makes for very interesting reading):

https://www.unlockthelaw.co.uk/News...y-how-do-release-clauses-work/1837585052.html

The interesting paragraphs relating to Spanish buy-out clauses may help explain why this transfer has been so protracted:

"Now comes the tricky part, especially where clubs based outside of Spain are concerned. You see, these clauses are binding only with respect to other Spanish Clubs. If Atletico Madrid decide that Carlos Bacca of Sevilla is a good bet (he is), all they have to do is make this fact known to Sevilla, deposit the amount stipulated in his clause with the LFP (Liga Football Primera, the league's governing body) and, if Carlos is happy, off he pops to the Capital. If, on the other hand, Arsenal are interested in securing Carlos' services, then the matter is different.

In THAT Case, the clause does not apply between clubs as it does in the case of an all-Spanish transfer. Instead, it applies between the player and his current club. Two things can then happen: the selling club can deal anyway (often there is a gentleman's agreement between club and player to this effect) and accept the offer. For tax reasons, this means accepting a little less than they are otherwise entitled to. No problem there, then. If the selling club plays hardball, things get a little tricky.

If the selling club decides they don't want to sell, an impasse is reached. If they want the full value of the clause, they can insist that the buying club make an offer of the buyout clause + VAT. Obviously, this whacks somewhere in the region of 20% on the bottom line of the deal for the buyer. Still, they pays their money and they gets their man. However, this still requires the selling club to ACCEPT their offer."

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dingodan said:

Effectively then, the min-fee release clause doesn't apply at all.

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TSB said:

Decent goal scoring pedigree for one so young.
I'm not against this. Though I suspect this rumour is just that.

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TSB said:

*Yawn*

Realistically, this bloke isn't going to come in and score the goals to keep us up. 9 in 31 against the might of Elche, Osasuna and Vallalodid. But he could potentially be a good addition. Plenty more firepower required.

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TSB said:

Have to spend money to make money and all that.
My point was that people who have been waiting for the star striker for 2 years or so are going to be disappointed. But that he looks to be a promising addition to the ranks and a player with big potential to improve at only 22.

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The Wizard said:

TSB ever making a positive comment about anything ever? Be serious.

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TSB said:

Try reading the thread, genius.

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SeagullCrow said:

I was struggling to get my head around why we didn't just trigger his release clause in his contract and get the player in, and stumbled across this website (which makes for very interesting reading):

https://www.unlockthelaw.co.uk/News...y-how-do-release-clauses-work/1837585052.html

The interesting paragraphs relating to Spanish buy-out clauses may help explain why this transfer has been so protracted:

"Now comes the tricky part, especially where clubs based outside of Spain are concerned. You see, these clauses are binding only with respect to other Spanish Clubs. If Atletico Madrid decide that Carlos Bacca of Sevilla is a good bet (he is), all they have to do is make this fact known to Sevilla, deposit the amount stipulated in his clause with the LFP (Liga Football Primera, the league's governing body) and, if Carlos is happy, off he pops to the Capital. If, on the other hand, Arsenal are interested in securing Carlos' services, then the matter is different.

In THAT Case, the clause does not apply between clubs as it does in the case of an all-Spanish transfer. Instead, it applies between the player and his current club. Two things can then happen: the selling club can deal anyway (often there is a gentleman's agreement between club and player to this effect) and accept the offer. For tax reasons, this means accepting a little less than they are otherwise entitled to. No problem there, then. If the selling club plays hardball, things get a little tricky.

If the selling club decides they don't want to sell, an impasse is reached. If they want the full value of the clause, they can insist that the buying club make an offer of the buyout clause + VAT. Obviously, this whacks somewhere in the region of 20% on the bottom line of the deal for the buyer. Still, they pays their money and they gets their man. However, this still requires the selling club to ACCEPT their offer."

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b.w.2. said:

Unless a Spanish team are buying, which must be questionable under European law, Shirley!?


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SeagullCrow said:

I was struggling to get my head around why we didn't just trigger his release clause in his contract and get the player in, and stumbled across this website (which makes for very interesting reading):

https://www.unlockthelaw.co.uk/News...y-how-do-release-clauses-work/1837585052.html

The interesting paragraphs relating to Spanish buy-out clauses may help explain why this transfer has been so protracted:

"Now comes the tricky part, especially where clubs based outside of Spain are concerned. You see, these clauses are binding only with respect to other Spanish Clubs. If Atletico Madrid decide that Carlos Bacca of Sevilla is a good bet (he is), all they have to do is make this fact known to Sevilla, deposit the amount stipulated in his clause with the LFP (Liga Football Primera, the league's governing body) and, if Carlos is happy, off he pops to the Capital. If, on the other hand, Arsenal are interested in securing Carlos' services, then the matter is different.

In THAT Case, the clause does not apply between clubs as it does in the case of an all-Spanish transfer. Instead, it applies between the player and his current club. Two things can then happen: the selling club can deal anyway (often there is a gentleman's agreement between club and player to this effect) and accept the offer. For tax reasons, this means accepting a little less than they are otherwise entitled to. No problem there, then. If the selling club plays hardball, things get a little tricky.

If the selling club decides they don't want to sell, an impasse is reached. If they want the full value of the clause, they can insist that the buying club make an offer of the buyout clause + VAT. Obviously, this whacks somewhere in the region of 20% on the bottom line of the deal for the buyer. Still, they pays their money and they gets their man. However, this still requires the selling club to ACCEPT their offer."

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b.w.2. said:

Unless a Spanish team are buying, which must be questionable under European law, Shirley!?


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Spacegull said:

Excellent. Well researched post.
Nice to get some signal amongst the noise.


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The Wizard said:

Brexit means Brexit, and don’t call me Shirley.

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Stat Brother said:

I still want this big fella to sing.

I guess those hopes are now dwindling.

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Stat Brother said:

I still want this big fella to sing.

I guess those hopes are now dwindling.

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Farehamseagull said:

Neymar to PSG?

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um bongo molongo said:

May be getting over excited but hard to believe he’s an either/or with Maupay as such a different type of player. More likely the Murray replacement a year early. I suspect as it’s so hard to sign strikers in our price bracket, if we want him and are happy to pay the release clause + VAT we’ll get him. If we’re going to play 3 up front arguably we need 6 anyway: Locadia, Murray, Trossard, Andone, Maupay, En Nesyri would give us good options, with Izzy to come back in at Xmas.

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SeagullCrow said:

I was struggling to get my head around why we didn't just trigger his release clause in his contract and get the player in, and stumbled across this website (which makes for very interesting reading):

https://www.unlockthelaw.co.uk/News...y-how-do-release-clauses-work/1837585052.html

The interesting paragraphs relating to Spanish buy-out clauses may help explain why this transfer has been so protracted:

"Now comes the tricky part, especially where clubs based outside of Spain are concerned. You see, these clauses are binding only with respect to other Spanish Clubs. If Atletico Madrid decide that Carlos Bacca of Sevilla is a good bet (he is), all they have to do is make this fact known to Sevilla, deposit the amount stipulated in his clause with the LFP (Liga Football Primera, the league's governing body) and, if Carlos is happy, off he pops to the Capital. If, on the other hand, Arsenal are interested in securing Carlos' services, then the matter is different.

In THAT Case, the clause does not apply between clubs as it does in the case of an all-Spanish transfer. Instead, it applies between the player and his current club. Two things can then happen: the selling club can deal anyway (often there is a gentleman's agreement between club and player to this effect) and accept the offer. For tax reasons, this means accepting a little less than they are otherwise entitled to. No problem there, then. If the selling club plays hardball, things get a little tricky.

If the selling club decides they don't want to sell, an impasse is reached. If they want the full value of the clause, they can insist that the buying club make an offer of the buyout clause + VAT. Obviously, this whacks somewhere in the region of 20% on the bottom line of the deal for the buyer. Still, they pays their money and they gets their man. However, this still requires the selling club to ACCEPT their offer."

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Thunder Bolt said:

It depends how much the Spanish club needs the money. Only the big clubs, Barca, Real Madrid, etc have any money, to speak of.

I remember Andrea Orlandi used to write a blog, and talking about his time in Spain. One of his comments was 'and sometimes we even got paid.'

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Green Cross Code Man said:

Why? These things can take time, think of the protracted signing on nonsense with Ali J!

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Stat Brother said:

Maupay is being reported as a done deal.

Both in is just too much to ask for, won't someone think of the less well off, like...






...palace.

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