[Politics] Brexit

lawros left foot · Mar 14, 2019

Two Professors said:
It certainly wasn't random abuse.If you choose to needlessly abuse pensioners,in a momentum troll-like manner,you should expect a response.Hardly adult behaviour being a troll,or being in momentum.Twunt.

How is saying that pensioners won’t make much difference if they strike’ abusing’ them? I also implied the self employed wouldn’t either, and a large amount of Leave voters were pensioners. You really are a strange one,still, it takes all sorts.

Two Professors · Mar 14, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
That's not the point I was making. Did you really think we'd leave the EU without paying them a penny? If you did you weren't paying any attention at all during the campaign. But then you were hardly alone in that.

How can I ignore something as dumb as claiming Putin is a Communist. It just didn't deserve more than a facepalm.

I never claimed Putin was anything.Try reading before posting.

And I said I didn't vote to pay 39 mil,I voted to LEAVE.

Lincoln Imp · Mar 14, 2019

LlcoolJ said:
On Jeremy Vine's R2 show earlier there was a shouty woman saying that if Article 50 is extended, people will rise up and march against Westminster.

Not that it'd change anything (seeing as over 1m marched against the Iraq war and it didn't change anything) but I look forward to seeing this as it would be funny.

I posted on a previous thread about the Farage march ("over 100,000 will go") which about 12 people attended.

Apparently, if there WAS a second referendum and we decided to stay in, there will be civil unrest like we've never seen.....

I was on the October Remainer March and it was just about the most gentle, friendly gathering I have been on. The overwhelming spirits were of fraternity and sadness. The Brexit chaps said we would be lucky to get 100,000 there. 670,000 turned up. There would be no violence if Remain lost a second referendum. We can only guess what would happen if the reverse occurred but I doubt it would be pretty.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 14, 2019

portlock seagull said:
Hang on a second...you seriously think the EU have absolutely been whiter than white in this entire saga?!! That's about THE most stupid thing I've heard if so and there have been some contenders. Of course the EU have made life difficult, it's in their interests and power to do so after all.

'Whiter than white'?

Better, I guess, than . . ..well...let's not go there (woodpiles etc).

Apart from that... the EU don't need to do nuffink. We decided to leave....it is up to us to ask for things....the default is hard Brexit....if we want some deals we have to ask for things....but we are still arguing amongst ourselves what it is we want.....step back and survey the landscape....it can be very easy to forget who is who and what is what....

Two Professors · Mar 14, 2019

lawros left foot said:
How is saying that pensioners won’t make much difference if they strike’ abusing’ them? I also implied the self employed wouldn’t either, and a large amount of Leave voters were pensioners. You really are a strange one,still, it takes all sorts.

Perhaps there are no pensioners working voluntarily for the NHS in Sussex.Perhaps they are all ignorant,selfish,remainers.

Guinness Boy · Mar 14, 2019

Two Professors said:
I never claimed Putin was anything.Try reading before posting.

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And I said I didn't vote to pay 39 mil,I voted to LEAVE.

Why would his agent be a card carrying Communist party member then? Putin is as far removed from the Communists as it's possible to be. He aligns with the right and far right and uses tech to get his wicked way, exactly as stated by the poster you dismissed. The Russians occaisionally align with the Chinese but they stopped being Communists in any real sense of the word in the 1990s. Oft times, however, they are competing with one another.

The real aim is superiority in trade and military position. It suits Putin to split the EU as it weakens one of his competitors. Classic mob technique. It suits him to weaken NATO so that he can continue to expand and look for the deep water ports that he was left without when the Soviet Union broke up. hence the interference in the US elections - he knew Trump was no fan of NATO, that he was pro-Brexit and that he was far less inclined to join a UN war should he want to usurp somewhere useful to him.

Any "card carrying Communist" helping him in such endevours might as well shoot himself in the foot. This is ALL about business.

lawros left foot · Mar 14, 2019

Two Professors said:
Perhaps there are no pensioners working voluntarily for the NHS in Sussex.Perhaps they are all ignorant,selfish,remainers.

Now,now, there’s no need for that. I know some very intelligent and altruistic pensioners who voted remain and leave, some even married to each other, there’s really no call for you to libel Sussex pensioners like that.
And I’ve just promoted you to ‘very strange’.

ManOfSussex · Mar 14, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
We work out what we want, trigger A50, then have two years to come to a deal with the EU.

If only we'd done what Vote Leave had said would happen. It would have been so easy. :flypig:

LlcoolJ · Mar 14, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
I was on the October Remainer March and it was just about the most gentle, friendly gathering I have been on. The overwhelming spirits were of fraternity and sadness. The Brexit chaps said we would be lucky to get 100,000 there. 670,000 turned up. There would be no violence if Remain lost a second referendum. We can only guess what would happen if the reverse occurred but I doubt it would be pretty.

Yaxley-Lemon and some fat bald men shouting probably. Not exactly the end of the world.

neilbard · Mar 14, 2019

Same shite different era! :shrug:

edited for the American market. :shrug:

portslade seagull · Mar 14, 2019

Simster said:
I think you're incredibly naive. The following posters are the leavers with more posts than you on this thread:
[MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] [MENTION=599]beorhthelm[/MENTION] (I think?) [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] [MENTION=5101]BigGully[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION]

Sorry to name-check you all chaps, but is there a single one of you that voted leave as a means to a socialist Britain? [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] seems to think that voting leave will be a major step to making this happen. Personally, I'm not convinced.

Not for me Simster. Worse scenario than leaving the EU

portslade seagull · Mar 14, 2019

LVGull said:
I can’t believe I’ve just been called a idiot by someone who doesn’t know me. What’s makes you so ****ing superior you absolute tool. Are you one of these experts who knows **** all as well.

There's a few of them on here. Wont take long for you to guess them

Publius Ovidius · Mar 14, 2019

From as far back as I can remember, the tories have been tearing themselves apart over Europe. Even back as far as ted Heath and then the evil thatch to major and now may, there has always been an undercurrent, even to the state of major calling his eurosceptics " ********". How this present bunch thought they could get brexit through when the ERG were never going to vote for her EVER and all the opposition want is for her to fail so they can have a general election.

There is no answer to this as this has torn the country down the middle with both sides showing utter contempt and hatred for each other.

Not being over dramatic, but can anyone see, on both sides, how this will end up. Will either side put up with losing?

Whatever side you are on, I cannot see how our country will ever be the same again. I certainly think our parliament will never really be trusted again which for democracy is a horrendous thought.

lawros left foot · Mar 14, 2019

Publius Ovidius said:
From as far back as I can remember, the tories have been tearing themselves apart over Europe. Even back as far as ted Heath and then the evil thatch to major and now may, there has always been an undercurrent, even to the state of major calling his eurosceptics " ********". How this present bunch thought they could get brexit through when the ERG were never going to vote for her EVER and all the opposition want is for her to fail so they can have a general election.

There is no answer to this as this has torn the country down the middle with both sides showing utter contempt and hatred for each other.

Not being over dramatic, but can anyone see, on both sides, how this will end up. Will either side put up with losing?

Whatever side you are on, I cannot see how our country will ever be the same again. I certainly think our parliament will never really be trusted again which for democracy is a horrendous thought.

This, the Tories have been having a low level civil war within their party for 45 years. It flairs up every now and again, but, this time they’ve managed to drag the whole of the country into it. The whole shebang is down to them, from the abortion of a referendum, to the present humiliation of our country.
Had we entered into the spirit of the EU we could have been the most influential member, and moulded it into what we wanted, but, instead we sat on the sidelines throwing bricks and wondering why they took no notice of us.

The Tories, their right wing mates, the little Englanders and the press in this country threw away a marvellous opportunity to be the most respected nation in the EU.

Dorset Seagull · Mar 14, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
'They' are a club of 27 members based on some fairly simple principles.

When one of their members decides to leave, what principles do you think the other 26 should immediately change in order to make it easier for the one who chose to leave (and still doesn't know what it wants?)

Now, as I'm sure you are aware, I've always hated this 'all leavers are thick' idea and actively campaign against it. You are not helping my campaign.

That’s a bit daft as even the EU recognised it as a negotiation especially as one of their major contributors was leaving

JC Footy Genius · Mar 14, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
I was on the October Remainer March and it was just about the most gentle, friendly gathering I have been on. The overwhelming spirits were of fraternity and sadness. The Brexit chaps said we would be lucky to get 100,000 there. 670,000 turned up. There would be no violence if Remain lost a second referendum. We can only guess what would happen if the reverse occurred but I doubt it would be pretty.

If we had been voting to join the EU and Join had won I expect even the latte, Waitrose brigade on that march would have got a bit shirty if the other side didn't accept the result and insisted they vote again.

JC Footy Genius · Mar 14, 2019

Seeing the recent contributions on this and the other Brexit thread I was reminded of this article ...

When historians of the future look back on Britain in our time, they will surely see our row over Brexit as extraordinary. Not because people disagree and campaign: that is normal and healthy; but because an influential section of the country, and particularly of its upper classes, are refusing to accept the will of the majority as legitimate or binding. It is no exaggeration to call this a revolt, even though it rarely hits the streets. Its unusual nature is shown by the arguments of its hardline supporters – arguments that would undermine any democratic system, and which have rarely been heard in any advanced country since the nineteenth century. For example: that most voters do not know what they are voting for; that working-class voters are too ignorant to make a choice; that people without advanced education should have their political rights reduced; that older people’s opinions have inferior legitimacy. Leaving aside ethical questions concerning equal rights – questions that most of us would have thought had been resolved by the end of the 19th century – these views show astonishing misunderstanding of what democracy is and what it is for. They lack the slightest degree of historical awareness – yet they are put forward with assurance by people who openly regard themselves as superior in education and intelligence.

More....

https://brexitcentral.com/three-categories-revolting-remainer-makes-tick/

lawros left foot · Mar 14, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
If we had been voting to join the EU and Join had won I expect even the latte, Waitrose brigade on that march would have got a bit shirty if the other side didn't accept the result and insisted they vote again.

But join did win the first one.

It may have been for a different type of organisation, but, it was a vote remain. I’m not arguing that the reason we shouldn’t of had a second referendum is because it ignores the will of the people, the democratic process, but, my 1974 vote has been ignored, just because everything has changed and people didn’t understand it in the first place, doesn’t mean we should ever have had another vote for the rest of eternity.

Sound familiar?

HH Brighton · Mar 14, 2019

Lets face it if you were stupid enough to vote leave last time, nothing that's happened since would have changed your mind. Having said that the result would be different as all those people that didn't vote thinking it was formality would not get out and vote.

nicko31 · Mar 14, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
Seeing the recent contributions on this and the other Brexit thread I was reminded of this article ...

When historians of the future look back on Britain in our time, they will surely see our row over Brexit as extraordinary. Not because people disagree and campaign: that is normal and healthy; but because an influential section of the country, and particularly of its upper classes, are refusing to accept the will of the majority as legitimate or binding. It is no exaggeration to call this a revolt, even though it rarely hits the streets. Its unusual nature is shown by the arguments of its hardline supporters – arguments that would undermine any democratic system, and which have rarely been heard in any advanced country since the nineteenth century. For example: that most voters do not know what they are voting for; that working-class voters are too ignorant to make a choice; that people without advanced education should have their political rights reduced; that older people’s opinions have inferior legitimacy. Leaving aside ethical questions concerning equal rights – questions that most of us would have thought had been resolved by the end of the 19th century – these views show astonishing misunderstanding of what democracy is and what it is for. They lack the slightest degree of historical awareness – yet they are put forward with assurance by people who openly regard themselves as superior in education and intelligence.

More....

https://brexitcentral.com/three-categories-revolting-remainer-makes-tick/

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