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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
The more I read it the more it sounded like a drunk who wants to fight everyone even though he can barely stand. He might land a few lucky punches but he's going to get the shit kicked out of him.
Icy Gull
Back on the rollercoaster
- Jul 5, 2003
- 72,015
The analogy with a bully who fears a bloody nose becomes more apparent by the day. It’s all bluff BUT it is a massive risk calling it
Putin is a bully who will almost certainly back down if faced up, maybe we should be sending NATO into Ukraine and even into Russia. Big big call though
- Aug 24, 2020
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I agree with that, but doesn't it depend on what your objective is?
If you want to prevent further damage to Ukraine and lives lost, then yes, maybe Nato need to go in. But the results might be unpredictable. As you say, it's a big, big call.
If you want to weaken Russia still further, and disable the Russian war machine for decades, then I would suggest we continue to do exactly what we are doing. Russia has broadcast its military weakness to the whole world, including its neighbours it has bullied for years. It's economy has been broadsided by the sanctions. It has become the pariah of the world, haemorrhaging customers and trading partners. It has achieved the exact opposite of what it set out to do; more Nato, not less Nato. In a strategic east-west struggle for security, it couldn't have gone any worse for Russia.
Always remember the reason that Putin gave before the invasion. He was scared of Nato expansion. Well now he will be even more scared. We can use a bigger Nato to keep Russia in check for generations.
jakarta
Well-known member
Baltic to be renamed The NATO Sea next week...
That went well eh, Vlad?
That went well eh, Vlad?
Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
A member of public on the radio talked about a Chinese Warship steaming down the Med. Quick internet search shows only something from 2017. Was he misinformed? Presenter did not respond to the comment.
A Russian victory would seem unlikely:-
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Brighton & Hove Albion
Saudi's buying stolen goods then
In Russian-occupied southern Ukraine grain is being sent for export to the Middle East from the Zaporizhzhia region, Russian media report. Yevgeny Balitsky, a Moscow-appointed official, told Tass news agency that agreements had been reached with buyers in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. He said a deal with Iran involved supplying 150,000 tonnes of Ukrainian grain
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-ukraine-dares-west-to-fight-on-battlefield
This is a good sign.
Of course you are vlad, and I've got an itchy chin
This is a good sign.
Of course you are vlad, and I've got an itchy chin
- Aug 24, 2020
- 5,441
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-ukraine-dares-west-to-fight-on-battlefield
This is a good sign.
Of course you are vlad, and I've got an itchy chin
Meanwhile, Russia's Agriculture Ministry have moved quickly to dispel talk of a potato shortage:
'"The Russian market is fully supplied with potatoes, including processed ones. In addition, crops from the new harvest are already arriving, which rules out the possibility of a shortage,"
The trouble is, 'Russia's McDonald's replacement runs low on fries'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62103506
'The company says it expects to have fries back on the menu by autumn.'
The sanctions are working.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
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- Aug 24, 2020
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At the risk of being accused of wishful thinking, does anyone appreciate the implication of this potato shortage?
1. Russia either cannot grow enough potatoes to satisfy domestic demand, or it cannot get the potato crop to where the customers are. In particular, it can't get the potatoes to its own flagship operation of a replacement McDonald's in Moscow.
2. It can't import them to manage the shortfall either, due to sanctions.
3. We are not talking about premium, seasonal crops like asparagus or avocado. This is potato - a staple crop.
4. This is probably still just symbolic, but it is a bellwether of the coming storm for Russia.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
such lovely people.
Neville's Breakfast
Well-known member
Putin warns of ‘catastrophic’ energy crisis if west boosts sanctions
https://www.ft.com/content/45210531-0fc6-48e3-82d2-aece0d02a675
https://www.ft.com/content/45210531-0fc6-48e3-82d2-aece0d02a675
jakarta
Well-known member
I'm sure it will be painful as we wean ourselves off their oil & gas - but rather think it will be Russia that will suffer worse consequences.
And no potatoes either - all going swimmingly for Vlad eh?
GT49er
Well-known member
Greater Russian Empire, from Vladivostock to Madrid, north of the equator. Needs to be stopped, even though the price might be horrible.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,352
long term sure. short term, they likely have more resilence to the effects. they can stop exporting potatoes for example, west cant suddenly find the gas to replace supply from Russia. going to be a cold harsh winter in central and eastern europe.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The US HIMARS and UK MLRS equivalent are absolutely devastating the Russian army now.
And more on its way.
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