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[Football] Who would have won Premier League-era titles without the ‘big six’?



Jack Straw

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Jul 7, 2003
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I found this interesting.

Guardian sport

“If the ‘big six’ left the Premier League permanently and all their league titles were stripped, then handed to the highest finishing non-‘big six’ club, who would have the most league wins?” tweets Stewarts Gloves.

Simon Tyers has done some spectacularly thorough research here and it makes very happy reading for those on the blue half of Merseyside. Ipswich Town fans might want to get a two-decade old bottle of champagne at the ready too, while there’s mid-noughties heartbreak for the Royals. “I used a league management program with all the Premier League tables included to not just take out the ‘big six’ but every match involving them to see what the leagues would look like entirely without their results. This is what would have happened:

1992-93: Norwich City
1993-94: Newcastle United
1994-95: Blackburn Rovers
1995-96: Newcastle United
1996-97: Aston Villa
1997-98: Blackburn Rovers. Five teams had a chance of finishing top going into the last week of the season – Derby led after playing their last fixture but were overtaken first by Leeds on goal difference and then both lost out to Blackburn, whose 1-0 last-day win over Newcastle (Sutton 88) took them to the ‘title’.
1998-99: Leeds United
1999-2000: Leeds United
2000-01: Ipswich Town
2001-02: Newcastle United
Alan Shearer would have won that elusive title with Newcastle in 2001-02
2002-03: Everton. Newcastle needed to win at West Brom on the last day to overtake them but drew 2-2.
2003-04: Aston Villa
2004-05: Everton
2005-06: Newcastle United. The top three were separated by two points on the last day and Newcastle only drew at Birmingham but Blackburn and Wigan both lost, Rovers losing out on goal difference.
2006-07: Everton. Reading could have won the title at Blackburn but drew 3-3.
2007-08: Everton
2008-09: Everton
2009-10: Aston Villa
2010-11: Fulham
2011-12: Newcastle United
2012-13: Everton
2013-14: Everton
2014-15: Southampton
2015-16: Leicester City (by 21 points in a 26-game season)
2016-17: Everton
2017-18: Burnley
2018-19: Watford
2019-20: Leicester City

“In summary, Everton would have the most Premier League titles thanks to that run of eight in 15 years, which on the all-time list would give them 17 championships in total, still second on the list behind their neighbours, Liverpool. As for this season, West Ham are looking good for their first Premier League-era title, leading by three points with three games in hand over nearest challengers Leicester (who are seven points ahead of the Hammers having played the same number of games in reality but an IRL fixture list that ends with Manchester United, Chelsea and Spurs has cost them badly).”
 




Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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An interesting presentation of the tables.... Possibly proves to the people who don't like Newcastle or perhaps just underestimate them as a club.

So Palace haven't won it....
 






blue-shifted

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Feb 20, 2004
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Hmm, the unpleasant stench of Leeds is on that list
 








JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
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Imagine what it would look like if the top teams hadn't regularly raided the other 14 for their best players every season too. Spurs with prime Berbatov and Keane up to and Modric in behind? Newcastle with Cole and Shearer up front? Most of United's sucess under Ferguson came off the back of them regularly knocking their rivals down a peg or two by getting in their best players (Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Berbatov, Tevez, Ferdinand, Rooney etc)
 








studio150

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Jul 30, 2011
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Only really relevant for the first season of the PL assuming that the league wasn't restructured to promote more teams into the PL, given that teams that were relegated may not have been relegated and different teams promoted, also doesn't take into account the impact of European football and longer cup runs on teams in terms of player availability.
 




Goldstone1976

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Apr 30, 2013
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Only really relevant for the first season of the PL assuming that the league wasn't restructured to promote more teams into the PL, given that teams that were relegated may not have been relegated and different teams promoted, also doesn't take into account the impact of European football and longer cup runs on teams in terms of player availability.

Taking all that into account, by my calculations, we won it last year and Palace were relegated.
 


Perkino

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Dec 11, 2009
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Surely we would have to retrospectively remove all results containing any of those sides and only consider fixtures between the other 14 clubs. This wouldn't work well in our favour as we have beaten sides like Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool but lose to relegation candidates
 


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