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nickbrighton

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Feb 19, 2016
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Ok I know it may be pedantic, but one thing that really gets on my nerves is how commentators and journalists in particular, but people in general don't understand the difference between Leading and Winning.

Commentator in the West Brom v Chelsea game has just perfectly illustrated the point. He said Chelsea were winning, and now they are losing. No they weren't, they were leading, and now they are behind. Its basic English, the two words have different though obviously connected meanings, and whilst Chelsea may well have gone on to win, its only once the match is over can any team be said to have been winning or losing it .

Is it laziness or ignorance? Similarly the difference between can i have and can i get- lots of people seem to use get when they should be using have. Saying nan I get a coffee for example, to a Barista is not the same as can I have a coffee.

Anyway, Im sure we all have our pet hates which aren't really important, but just irritate us, what are yours?(Im sure people like me posting things like this is high on someone's list)
 






AmexRuislip

AmexRuislip

Trainee Spy 🕵️‍♂️
Feb 2, 2014
33,824
Ruislip
When you go back to work after a bereavement, and people say 'you seem better'
What do the hell they know :shootself


People who pull out on you on a roundabout, then wave at you to say sorry.
Whats all that about?
 


Chicken Run

Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
18,486
Valley of Hangleton
nickbrighton said:
Ok I know it may be pedantic, but one thing that really gets on my nerves is how commentators and journalists in particular, but people in general don't understand the difference between Leading and Winning.

Commentator in the West Brom v Chelsea game has just perfectly illustrated the point. He said Chelsea were winning, and now they are losing. No they weren't, they were leading, and now they are behind. Its basic English, the two words have different though obviously connected meanings, and whilst Chelsea may well have gone on to win, its only once the match is over can any team be said to have been winning or losing it .

Is it laziness or ignorance? Similarly the difference between can i have and can i get- lots of people seem to use get when they should be using have. Saying nan I get a coffee for example, to a Barista is not the same as can I have a coffee.

Anyway, Im sure we all have our pet hates which aren't really important, but just irritate us, what are yours?(Im sure people like me posting things like this is high on someone's list)
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My pet hate will be when a waiter will say to a table of ladies, “Hi guys”
 








Eeyore

Eeyore

Colonel Hee-Haw of Queen's Park
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Apr 5, 2014
23,599
So unrefined these days. I remember hearing that Brighton were 'trailing' 2-0 at Millwall in 1976 and asking Mum what it meant.

Actually 'trailing' sounds almost like a form of subjugated humiliation. They should use that for teams they don't like.
 


Bakero

Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,797
Almería
nickbrighton said:
Ok I know it may be pedantic, but one thing that really gets on my nerves is how commentators and journalists in particular, but people in general don't understand the difference between Leading and Winning.

Commentator in the West Brom v Chelsea game has just perfectly illustrated the point. He said Chelsea were winning, and now they are losing. No they weren't, they were leading, and now they are behind. Its basic English, the two words have different though obviously connected meanings, and whilst Chelsea may well have gone on to win, its only once the match is over can any team be said to have been winning or losing it .
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Once the match is over you can say a has won or lost. During the match you can say who is winning or losing.
 




Guinness Boy

Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Bakero said:
Once the match is over you can say a has won or lost. During the match you can say who is winning or losing.
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It depends on WHEN though.

For example, when you are asked 45 minutes into Day 1 of a 5 day Test Match "who's winning?". :rant:
 


Eeyore

Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
23,599
Guinness Boy said:
It depends on WHEN though.

For example, when you are asked 45 minutes into Day 1 of a 5 day Test Match "who's winning?". :rant:
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I think context is important. Trent Bridge 2015 comes to mind. Or Sabina Park 1998....
 








Tom Hark Preston Park

Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,246
I just hate it when some random neighbour's just inflicted an excruciating week's worth of noise through your wall and you finally meet the guys doing the work face-to-face and all you can do is grin through gritted teeth and say 'You winning?'. Because in the end they're just doing their sub-contracted job and the buy-to-let **** that hired them don't care either way cos they don't live there
 






GT49er

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,757
Gloucester
nickbrighton said:
Ok I know it may be pedantic, but one thing that really gets on my nerves is how commentators and journalists in particular, but people in general don't understand the difference between Leading and Winning.

Commentator in the West Brom v Chelsea game has just perfectly illustrated the point. He said Chelsea were winning, and now they are losing. No they weren't, they were leading, and now they are behind. Its basic English, the two words have different though obviously connected meanings, and whilst Chelsea may well have gone on to win, its only once the match is over can any team be said to have been winning or losing it .

Is it laziness or ignorance? Similarly the difference between can i have and can i get- lots of people seem to use get when they should be using have. Saying nan I get a coffee for example, to a Barista is not the same as can I have a coffee.

Anyway, Im sure we all have our pet hates which aren't really important, but just irritate us, what are yours?(Im sure people like me posting things like this is high on someone's list)
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Nowt wrong with 'winning' - plenty wrong with 'can I get'.
 




Blackadder

Blackadder

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 6, 2003
16,077
Haywards Heath
We've got to make sure we don't concede, especially early doors, but I think it's definitely game on if we score first.
 


BN9 BHA

BN9 BHA

DOCKERS
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Jul 14, 2013
21,569
Newhaven
I have probably got far too many pet hates, sort of stuff I really shouldn’t worry about, some of them are just things I find odd or things I wouldn’t do.
One I do think is odd is when tradesmen have the word ‘solutions’ on their vans, followed by whatever trade they are.

Hello is this Plastering Solutions, can I get a quote for some work on my house?
Plastering Solutions and people that say “can I get” deserve each other. :)
 




Bakero

Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,797
Almería
GT49er said:
Nowt wrong with 'winning' - plenty wrong with 'can I get'.
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I don't get what gets people's goat with get. It's what the experts call a delexicalised verb. We use it in all manner of ways so to say it doesn't make sense in the phrase "can I get", makes no sense imo.
 


Bakero

Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,797
Almería
I think my pet peeve is other people's pet peeves. Now I get what Naughty by Nature were on about.
 


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