It took me 30 seconds last week to look up WBA and the fact they exploit wide areas in attacking teams . . . . Potter just got it all wrong 2nd half.
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[Football] Where it all started going wrong?
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It took me 30 seconds last week to look up WBA and the fact they exploit wide areas in attacking teams . . . . Potter just got it all wrong 2nd half.
DarrenFreemansPerm
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Burn could have done better for the last 2 goals we’ve conceded.
Personally I’d prefer to see White back in defence, with Veltman and Webster, retaining March as the LWB and resist the urge to use Burn at LB. Alzate and Bissouma have been building a good relationship in midfield, the constant moving of personnel can’t help form or consistency surely?
Personally I’d prefer to see White back in defence, with Veltman and Webster, retaining March as the LWB and resist the urge to use Burn at LB. Alzate and Bissouma have been building a good relationship in midfield, the constant moving of personnel can’t help form or consistency surely?
GT49er
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Quite agree. The only problem is that then it leaves only three places available for Maupay, Connolly, Trossard, Wellbeck, Lallana, Mac Allister, Jahanbakhsh, Zeqiri, Propper and Gross, which is going to take a lot on managing ....................
DarrenFreemansPerm
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But that seems like part of our issue, the insistence of getting certain players on the field at the expense of possibly more suited players. Last night we had Veltman in defence, a new addition to our back 3, White was moved out into midfield where Alzate should be, Webster was playing RCB instead of LCB. For me there’s too much manipulating of the positions people play. I know I’ll never understand the game as well as Potter but to my mind Veltman for Dunk was the obvious choice, it keeps a more settled system for the players to be familiar with.
Maupay looked slow to react, took way too many touches and looked as if he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, other than that we're good upfront!
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I wasn't surprised at seeing White in that position again, following what was a promising game (I thought) at Palace. Veltman/Webster/Burn was one of a couple of permeations, and I am not sure were that important to the disappointing performance. far more influential for me were the below-par performances of Trossard/Bissouma/Maupay/Lamptey all of whom just couldn't get going 2nd half. GPs changes were however also significant, in that they simply didn't work - either because the lads who came on just didn't play well or make any impact at all, or because they were wrong decisions. Of all of them March going off seemed strange when they were getting on top - and maybe we would not have conceded from the move down that side, but we might have done as the tide had already swung.
Regards White in midfield, i would not be surprised to see him there again vs. Spurs - Kane or Son or Moura dropping into those holes might be a threat that GP wants to nullify more effectively.
Regards White in midfield, i would not be surprised to see him there again vs. Spurs - Kane or Son or Moura dropping into those holes might be a threat that GP wants to nullify more effectively.
Seasidesage
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WBA are quite physical which is why he stuck with Burn I suspect. White also had a good game v Palace in midifield. For me both didn't quite work, Burn didn't have a bad game but he doesn't have the distribution of Dunk or White which slowed our play. White is not as accomplished on the ball as Alzate and also less willing to travel with the ball. This meant we transitioned slower than we have all season. Even then we take any of the numerous chances we created 1st half we go 2-0 up game is won.
Up front Troussard looked what he is a midfielder filling in as a striker, it didn't work at Palace either and it was a mistake not to start with either Connolly or Welbeck assuming they were fit enough to have done so. What exacerbated those errors for me was the reluctance to rectify them 2nd half when it was obvious we needed fresh legs up there. Potter made a conscious decision to play for the 1-0 which was a mistake and meant that when it went 1-1 he couldn't adapt.
He made some mistakes. That some plums on here think that should be a sacking matter says more about them than I ever could and we do have some hysterical old biddies in our support. However, it was a poor result in a game that while not defining was an indicator of how we might go moving forward. Had we taken 6/7 points from this and the upcoming two I for one would've felt vindicated in what my eyes are telling me that this s a good side improving rapidly. Now pressure is on a bit and defeat at Spurs will make Burnley a big game even at this early stage...
Premier League teams are always a couple of games from a crisis but last night was a chance to get ahead of the curve a bit squandered. I'm behind Potter and continue to be so but I would hope he is dishing out a few reality checks to certain players today and also pondering his own tactical performance as I'm sure he will be.
Up front Troussard looked what he is a midfielder filling in as a striker, it didn't work at Palace either and it was a mistake not to start with either Connolly or Welbeck assuming they were fit enough to have done so. What exacerbated those errors for me was the reluctance to rectify them 2nd half when it was obvious we needed fresh legs up there. Potter made a conscious decision to play for the 1-0 which was a mistake and meant that when it went 1-1 he couldn't adapt.
He made some mistakes. That some plums on here think that should be a sacking matter says more about them than I ever could and we do have some hysterical old biddies in our support. However, it was a poor result in a game that while not defining was an indicator of how we might go moving forward. Had we taken 6/7 points from this and the upcoming two I for one would've felt vindicated in what my eyes are telling me that this s a good side improving rapidly. Now pressure is on a bit and defeat at Spurs will make Burnley a big game even at this early stage...
Premier League teams are always a couple of games from a crisis but last night was a chance to get ahead of the curve a bit squandered. I'm behind Potter and continue to be so but I would hope he is dishing out a few reality checks to certain players today and also pondering his own tactical performance as I'm sure he will be.
Rinkmaster
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Right from the start we looked shabby, sorry but there is no other word for it. It seemed as if it had the importance of a Sunday afternoon stroll in the park. We rightly should have lost that match just because of a complete lack of passion only two players earnt their wages Lamptey and Lallana. The rest didn't even get out of bed
Falmer Wizard
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- Jun 23, 2020
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We played better in the first half but no where near great,entertainment was sadly lacking throughout the game and it must be pointed out that we only gained a point through an own goal.Please don't say that, as you're feeding all the Potter out brigade......
Last nights second half display was not great, but the first half was, so there is still hope.
Don't forget, we'll sometimes struggle.
But I'd rather be an Albionite than A N Other
Spurs away next, hope we can keep the goals against total down.
maltaseagull
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HAHA!
Seriously though the main issue is turning shots into goals. We are 6th highest in the league for total shots taken. 2nd from bottom only above Sheffield Utd for percentage of shots on target. That's worrying.
Don't panic!
I am sure we will sign a 20 goal striker in the transfer window.
Just not sure which one
Agree, he is too loyal - it needs to be mixed up a bit quicker. Surely if Maupay is playing poorly then why not give Zequiri or Welbeck a chance on the pitch - I'm not saying they are defo the solution (who knows?) but surely it's worth a try (or even a shot
)boik
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You push that panic button as hard as you can if it makes you feel happy.
By the way, Saints lost 9-0 a year ago and didn't panic.
Just sayin'.
Clive Walker
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its the 25% win rate that concerns me not just the last 45 mins of football.
LadySeagull
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One up front is a problem because we never get the ball in the box enough. To be fair to Maupay, there just isn't the service.
As I see it, March and Alzate lose the ball and faff about outside the box for too long. March keeps needing an extra touch or getting the ball caught up in his feet.
As I see it, March and Alzate lose the ball and faff about outside the box for too long. March keeps needing an extra touch or getting the ball caught up in his feet.
Clive Walker
Stand Or Fall
Ryan
Lamptey. White Webster Burn. March
Bissouma Alzate
Lallana. Maupay. Connelly
Lamptey. White Webster Burn. March
Bissouma Alzate
Lallana. Maupay. Connelly
Badger Boy
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I'm not going to advocate replacing Potter, but I do think he needs to wake up to reality a little bit. He sounds totally disinterested in every interview and like he's not all that concerned by what happens. I've seen nothing in the last year to suggest he's as good as his reputation deserves. I think the team is constantly just short of something and I think it's a lack of urgency and a lack of real belief that we SHOULD win every game. You aren't going to, obviously. Sometimes the game just gets away from you and that's not unreasonable, especially in this league.
Nobody can say we shouldn't have beaten Palace or West Brom, though. The Palace game felt like the players believed they were 2 or 3-0 up at 0-0 before the random penalty gifted Palace the lead and we only got level late on. I didn't bother with the game last night so I've no idea if history repeated but being 1-0 up and not killing the game largely speaks for itself.
Nobody can say we shouldn't have beaten Palace or West Brom, though. The Palace game felt like the players believed they were 2 or 3-0 up at 0-0 before the random penalty gifted Palace the lead and we only got level late on. I didn't bother with the game last night so I've no idea if history repeated but being 1-0 up and not killing the game largely speaks for itself.
Clive Walker
Stand Or Fall
The team almost look like they are told to go out and enjoy themselves and not worry too much about the result.
Not inclined to trawl through this entire thread. It was one game. It was different to our other games. Next game it will be different again.
But the answer to your question is, probably, when we came down from the trees. Massive mistake. And the invention of fire only inflamed the situation.
Mike Small
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- Dec 26, 2008
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Burnley looked good last night. We’ll be far to soft to get anything V them. Fear TB is too nice to put Potter under any pressure / sack him.
Where is it going wrong?
Ben White isn't a defensive midfielder and I doubt he can be trained to make the switch.
Maupay isn't a lone striker and needs someone to play off.
Solly works hard but end product is near zero, yet we insist on putting it wide for him (even though there's nobody to cross to anyway).
We love giving the ball away.
Logic would dictate three at the back means less space for a lone striker to move in, but those three are stretched to cover our wingbacks (especially March who isn't quick enough to get back - not really his fault).
GP learns so much per game he must be close to getting his doctorate
Where is it going right?
Veltman looked very assured on the ball and his reading of the game is excellent.
Lamptey is consistently superb.
Lallana ran the game and, if fit, could take us to the next level.
Biss doesn't give the ball away.
BDB dancing through their team makes me think he would be a better choice of makeshift CDM than White.
Ben White isn't a defensive midfielder and I doubt he can be trained to make the switch.
Maupay isn't a lone striker and needs someone to play off.
Solly works hard but end product is near zero, yet we insist on putting it wide for him (even though there's nobody to cross to anyway).
We love giving the ball away.
Logic would dictate three at the back means less space for a lone striker to move in, but those three are stretched to cover our wingbacks (especially March who isn't quick enough to get back - not really his fault).
GP learns so much per game he must be close to getting his doctorate
Where is it going right?
Veltman looked very assured on the ball and his reading of the game is excellent.
Lamptey is consistently superb.
Lallana ran the game and, if fit, could take us to the next level.
Biss doesn't give the ball away.
BDB dancing through their team makes me think he would be a better choice of makeshift CDM than White.