Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

dsr-burnley said:

I don't see how this can be misinterpreted, but you seem to have done so. What it means is that (1) some people have an ambition to continue lockdown, and (2) I believe that will have negative net results. That does NOT mean that I think they are evil. It does NOT mean that I think they have negative intentions. If a doctor misdiagnoses an illness, it does not mean he is an evil man.


I am sorry that your understanding of dementia is so slight that you cannot see how people who suffer from it are being harmed. I am sorry that your understanding of old age is such that you cannot see how people who are old and infirm are suffering harm.

And I note that when you propose to follow the science, those scientists who tell us that the Indian variant is no more virulent than any other are being ignored. you seem to prefer anecdotal news from India on that one. For you, it isn't a matter of "a scientist says it so I will agree with it" - it is a matter of "a scientist says what I agree with, so he must be a reliable source". Maybe it is so with me as well. But I'm not claiming the moral high ground for agreeing with scientists who agree with me.

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darkwolf666 said:

Rather condescending and dismissive, aren't you?

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dsr-burnley said:

If I am, I'm not the only one.

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darkwolf666 said:

Add childish too then!

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dsr-burnley said:

You may think it so. Your prerogative.

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crodonilson said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/15/johnson-must-think-again-on-plans-to-relax-covid-rules

Mounting pressure now from the scientific community to scrap Mondays relaxations, I fear BJ has learned nothing from the previous waves though.



4 tests, only 3 met

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nicko31 said:

Yep, they are breaking their own rules

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Sadly they are going ahead, IMHO we're taking a big step into the unknown

In the absence of this we need a complete vaccine blitz and surge testing in areas with the Indian variant NOW and hope for best

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dsr-burnley said:

It depends how you define "fundamentally". I wouldn't have thought that a new variant that is subdued by the vaccine in much the same way as all the other variations, would be fundamentally different, even if it does spread to the young unvaccinated rather faster.

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dazzer6666 said:

Overall case numbers aren’t going up - been hovering around 2k/day for quite a while now whilst deaths and hospitalisations have minimised and the number in hospital in down 98% from the the peak. The outbreaks are currently very isolated. Fundamentally then picture could be argued as being stable.

It’s a calculated risk for sure, but doesn’t seem unreasonable - hopefully the surge testing and vaccinating will squash the localised outbreaks.

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nicko31 said:

Big queues outside BW FC yesterday getting the jab, great to see this...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/bolton-wanderers-invite-over-16s-20609740

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The Clamp said:

“The young aren’t at risk”
“Oh terror! The young are at risk”

This could go on forever, open the flipping country back up. Time to take the risk.
And I’m not denying there is a risk.

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Hotchilidog said:

Good to see that it's not just surge testing but surge vaccination taking place in these localised hotspots. With over 50% of adults already with at least one jab there will be some capacity for this.

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darkwolf666 said:

As long as people are allowed to manage their own risk then and not be forced into situations they aren't comfortable with, like face to face benefit interviews without fear of sanctions...

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The Clamp said:

Yes, sounds reasonable. For a couple of months . We can’t have people sat indoors, collecting benefits indefinitely while the rest of us continue to go to work and risk our health to pay their way. The country needs to get up and running, everyone playing their part. Including the jobseekers. Far too many shirkers hiding behind Covid anxiety. The free ride is over, I’m afraid.

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The Clamp said:

Yes, sounds reasonable. For a couple of months . We can’t have people sat indoors, collecting benefits indefinitely while the rest of us continue to go to work and risk our health to pay their way. The country needs to get up and running, everyone playing their part. Including the jobseekers. Far too many shirkers hiding behind Covid anxiety. The free ride is over, I’m afraid.

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nicko31 said:

What exactly is the plan for winding down furlough? A number of sectors are going to have significant labour shortages soon...

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loz said:

This is a more brutal expression of the post I made earlier...it seems it OK for Builders, shop workers, Factory workers, Bus / train drivers and alike to work as normal, but Karen and Brian in the purchasing office can stay at home telling everyone its too dangerous to get off their settee and go to work.

Its creating a huge them and us workplace culture as you might say a blue collar and white collar divide.

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The Clamp said:

Yep, agree 100. Me and millions others have been getting on busses twice daily, working with people with Covid , annual leave cancelled, overtime cancelled (down 25% income, very uncomfortable) while Ethan from IT has been working in his conservatory in his spaffy joggers, complaining he hasn’t been to a restaurant for a few months and being in the same space as his cupcake baking wife for a year has given his emotional needs dog a migraine. Get a grip, get to work.

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