Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
I know Farage wanted to give it a go but I think the leader should be an MP.
I see that David Lammy has refused to rule himself out.
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[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party
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I know Farage wanted to give it a go but I think the leader should be an MP.
I see that David Lammy has refused to rule himself out.
studio150
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Rebecca Long-Bailey
Don't take 2Ps posts as reality !!!! He's accused Starmer of unspecified naughtiness but strangely won't say what it is ...... some might say he's lying.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
It will be a woman , preferably a Northern one and far away from the Islington/London mafia that need to own this defeat. I told you all years ago Corbyn wasn’t the messiah and he needs to quit so the party can move forward
I actually agree with that summary. Others will disagree with me, however my impression that Momentum were so desperate for control of the Labour party, and so convinced that their view of how the country should be run was right, that they had not thought about what would win over the electorate.
Blair did excellently at winning the centre ground. Without tempting those voters in the centre, Labour will never get a majority.
'Blairite' seems to be a dirty word these days, but it is effectively what is needed.
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I would like to see someone like Peter Kyle run as deputy leader as well in a balanced ticket
JC Footy Genius
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Rebecca Wrong-Daily (c/o [MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION])
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Momentum are a busted flush as well. They are another reason behind the loss and Lansman and co should f**k right off
BensGrandad
New member
Isnt she seen by many as a female Corbyn and just as unelectable as leader or future PM.
Braggfan
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I shudder to think of a return to Blair or someone in his pseudo Tory guise becoming Labour leader. The truth is they probably would give the Tories a challenge, but what's the difference between voting for a blue Tory or a red one.
Lower West Stander
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As previously quoted on this thread, Long-Bailey would be perfect as a former shadow business secretary who thought profits were taxed on turnover and said the government should take an equity stake in Thomas Cook after it had gone bust......
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
Some have been saying that for a long time.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
Great - another delusional ideologist.
GB - and in particular England - is not a socialist Country, and a centre left Labour Leader would have a chance of winning. What (apart from the illegal war) was so bad about Blair?
Otherwise it's the wilderness forever for Labour.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
For me, the next leader needs to come from outside the London metropolitan elite. Starmer, Thornberry, Lammy represent a remain based culture in the Labour party that the Labour heartlands have rejected even if the cosmopolitan vote has stayed strong. Long-Bailey as a Salford born to a dockyard worker rising up to become a solicitor in law and into the party would resonate with the communities that Labour have just lost. There will be other candidates too.
Between the surprise popularity of the 2017 campaign and this one, Labour appear to have lost the essential basic message of a fairer society. Instead a garbled message of free things with no real detail of why or what that means and how it would work. Free broadband may well be a brilliant policy for a dynamic productive engaged workforce, however without context, or detail, it mostly felt like a giveaway. People don't want giveaways, they want to be housed, fairly paid for hard work, their children educated and their families health needs taken care of.
Labour cannot win without the proud hard working communities around the country, and those communities I feel will continue to feel patronised by London-centric politicians who they little understand and who they feel little understand them.
This is going to be less about policies, more about identity. Can Labour be outward looking not inward, can they compromise, innovate into a progressive looking offering that looks forward beyond reflections of a tainted past.
Milliband had a retail campaign like a shopping list of desires. 2017 'for the many' got the tone almost right in creating a fairer society, but that success got blown out of proportion for a 2019 black friday giveaway to mask the elephant in the room. Perhaps a return to basics. What can you talk about to an ordinary person on the doorstep that they will relate to and doesn't sound pie in the sky, and strikes them as a fairer way of doing things.
The soul of the party is on the line. Hoping this damaging defeat is a wake up call to members that a previous winning mantra of 'education education education' might need to be 'compromise compromise compromise'.
Between the surprise popularity of the 2017 campaign and this one, Labour appear to have lost the essential basic message of a fairer society. Instead a garbled message of free things with no real detail of why or what that means and how it would work. Free broadband may well be a brilliant policy for a dynamic productive engaged workforce, however without context, or detail, it mostly felt like a giveaway. People don't want giveaways, they want to be housed, fairly paid for hard work, their children educated and their families health needs taken care of.
Labour cannot win without the proud hard working communities around the country, and those communities I feel will continue to feel patronised by London-centric politicians who they little understand and who they feel little understand them.
This is going to be less about policies, more about identity. Can Labour be outward looking not inward, can they compromise, innovate into a progressive looking offering that looks forward beyond reflections of a tainted past.
Milliband had a retail campaign like a shopping list of desires. 2017 'for the many' got the tone almost right in creating a fairer society, but that success got blown out of proportion for a 2019 black friday giveaway to mask the elephant in the room. Perhaps a return to basics. What can you talk about to an ordinary person on the doorstep that they will relate to and doesn't sound pie in the sky, and strikes them as a fairer way of doing things.
The soul of the party is on the line. Hoping this damaging defeat is a wake up call to members that a previous winning mantra of 'education education education' might need to be 'compromise compromise compromise'.
BensGrandad
New member
After last night slaughter by Alan Johnson he is one of the first Labour should out if they wish to progress
Don Quixote
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All the next leader can do is hope to win a few more seats in the next election. Maybe deny Johnson a majority. No way will they be PM. So who would want it?
Southern Scouse
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- Jul 21, 2011
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Kier Starmer, this afternoon if possible. Ive reflected and made the decision. Get it done.
Cadiz Seagull
Grey bearded old man
David Miliband, although he should have been the last-but-two leader and Labour wouldn't then be in this mess.