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[Politics] Loony labour vote to abolish private education



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kjgood

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Nov 11, 2008
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Brynna South Wales (And I'm not Welsh either!)
lawros left foot said:
It does that the tax benefits to the Public school system is completely screwed, and then you look at Private health care, and it’s the same.
NHS hospitals pay business rates, private hospitals,if registered as charities don’t.
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I am lucky enough to have private healthcare as part of my renumeration package at work. When I recently required surgery very quickly, It happened very quickly, ufortunately I think that if I hadnt have had this benefit for all of the hard work, additional unpaid hours, putting my work first etc.etc to enable me to rise to a position where this benefit is offerred, I may not be here now.

I may add that I didnt take up the time of an NHS GP apart from a quick consultation for him to write a quick note to a private consultant, a consultant working for the NHS (Or in NHS time anyway) an NHS bed, time in a NHS operating theatre, NHS recuperation services, NHS food and other hotel services i.e. laundry etc. so others had the benefit of all that whilst I was being dealt with. Someone else was able to use the NHS space I could have taken up and have contributed to by way of taxation.

Taking away the chance to improve yourself by taking away private healthcare, private schools, the chance of a better house, better location, better car, better TV or any other betterment you can think of, will just take away the need for ambition and drive. Be careful what you wish for.
 




lawros left foot

lawros left foot

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Jun 11, 2011
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I think you’ve answered a different post to the one I posted.
My point is that by only paying 20% business rates, private health and education have a huge benefit over state institutions.


By the way, who pays to train all the staff that private health care employ?

I know that with the introduction of tuition fees I, The water is a little murky now, but, it’s still the state, in most cases.
 


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kjgood

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Nov 11, 2008
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Brynna South Wales (And I'm not Welsh either!)
lawros left foot said:
I think you’ve answered a different post to the one I posted.
My point is that by only paying 20% business rates, private health and education have a huge benefit over state institutions.


By the way, who pays to train all the staff that private health care employ?

I know that with the introduction of tuition fees I, The water is a little murky now, but, it’s still the state, in most cases.
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Hi No I dont think I have answered a different question. Some private hospitals may be set up as charities but I dont think all are, I'd be surprised if the one I was in was it was clearly a business. You were debating that they had potentially tax advantages but what does that matter? The NHS benefitted from not having to provide me with the services I had already paid for, another patient benefitted from me not taking up an NHS space, so the argument regarding tax benefits to me is invalid. More and more people are going private and paying for usually a quicker service, for every person that does is a cost and time saving to the NHS. So where is the NHS being disadvantaged?

The NHS trains the medical staff who fullfill the NHS contract they have signed and then they do their private practice work in their own time, to pay for private education for their kids or a nicer house, a better holiday etc. The NHS only gains from private healthcare I certainly did and I am grateful for that. As I said Labours desire to take away all the things people work hard to get the advantage of to replace it with the same of everything for everyone isnt the great thing they think it is.
 


highflyer

highflyer

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Labour have voted to adopt a Green New Deal.
More bold politics. And a good move, both politically and ethically.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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highflyer said:
Labour have voted to adopt a Green New Deal.
More bold politics. And a good move, both politically and ethically.
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massive vote loser once people absorb the consequences, effective de-industrialisation. up side is its utterly un-deliverable in time frame and will be watered down.
 




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Hastings gull

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Nov 23, 2013
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kjgood said:
I am lucky enough to have private healthcare as part of my renumeration package at work. When I recently required surgery very quickly, It happened very quickly, ufortunately I think that if I hadnt have had this benefit for all of the hard work, additional unpaid hours, putting my work first etc.etc to enable me to rise to a position where this benefit is offerred, I may not be here now.

I may add that I didnt take up the time of an NHS GP apart from a quick consultation for him to write a quick note to a private consultant, a consultant working for the NHS (Or in NHS time anyway) an NHS bed, time in a NHS operating theatre, NHS recuperation services, NHS food and other hotel services i.e. laundry etc. so others had the benefit of all that whilst I was being dealt with. Someone else was able to use the NHS space I could have taken up and have contributed to by way of taxation.

Taking away the chance to improve yourself by taking away private healthcare, private schools, the chance of a better house, better location, better car, better TV or any other betterment you can think of, will just take away the need for ambition and drive. Be careful what you wish for.
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Exactly. It was only a few weeks ago, when the BBC reported that waiting lists at NHS hospitals had got longer. It then turned out that consultants were less and less inclined to do overtime, or donate time to the NHS, as the taxes they would then have to pay would in effect mean they were working for (next to) nothing. The reporter did state that the consultants accepted that were in any case well paid, but I don't think it really matters if you are earning 200.000 or 20.000 -there comes a time when you just say -what the hell, as it just doesn't pay me with all the consequent deductions.
 


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Hastings gull

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Nov 23, 2013
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kjgood said:
Hi No I dont think I have answered a different question. Some private hospitals may be set up as charities but I dont think all are, I'd be surprised if the one I was in was it was clearly a business. You were debating that they had potentially tax advantages but what does that matter? The NHS benefitted from not having to provide me with the services I had already paid for, another patient benefitted from me not taking up an NHS space, so the argument regarding tax benefits to me is invalid. More and more people are going private and paying for usually a quicker service, for every person that does is a cost and time saving to the NHS. So where is the NHS being disadvantaged?

The NHS trains the medical staff who fullfill the NHS contract they have signed and then they do their private practice work in their own time, to pay for private education for their kids or a nicer house, a better holiday etc. The NHS only gains from private healthcare I certainly did and I am grateful for that. As I said Labours desire to take away all the things people work hard to get the advantage of to replace it with the same of everything for everyone isnt the great thing they think it is.
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Like that nice kind Mrs Abbott and her ilk - only that she would like to take away all the things that OTHER people work hard for, whilst retaining private education for her own little darling.
 


Live by the sea

Live by the sea

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Oct 21, 2016
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highflyer said:
It's not about individual personalities. ********s and decent people on both sides (though having attended all the party conferences at various points over the years, I know where I'd rather hang around socially). But the principles of self interest, vs wider shared interest is pretty core to the econmic assumptionson each side.
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Highflier I think you will find the type of people that attend the Labour Party under Corbyn are very different to the type that attended under previous labour leaders. Lots of extreme hard line left wingers that wouldn’t have been tolerated previously are welcomed under Commie Corbyn. Horrible bunch of envious , lazy socialist workers.
 






highflyer

highflyer

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Live by the sea said:
Highflier I think you will find the type of people that attend the Labour Party under Corbyn are very different to the type that attended under previous labour leaders. Lots of extreme hard line left wingers that wouldn’t have been tolerated previously are welcomed under Commie Corbyn. Horrible bunch of envious , lazy socialist workers.
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Are you there?
I am not, but been to plenty of recent Labour events (as well as other parties) and I know plenty of Labour members and activists, including many who have joined since Corbyn became leader. I don't agree with everything Corbyn does, or stands for, or with all Labour policy. And I can't stand the old, male, white, Union mafia still trying to call the shots at the top of the party.

But your generalization is total tabloid bullsh*t.
 


Bakero

Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,796
Almería
Chicken Run said:
No it doesn’t help, because whoever produced that skewed the definition towards wealth, using the same concept you could be born into poverty?
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The definition doesn't mention wealth. Born into poverty is quite a common phrase, isn't it? And again, it could be described as an accident of birth.
 












Chicken Run

Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
18,475
Valley of Hangleton
Bakero said:
No, beneficiary is listed as a related word.

The definition is a situation caused by who your family is rather than by anything you do.
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The only time I ever here Accident of Birth is on this board and it’s only ever used by people who have anger issues towards the Royal Family or to people born into wealth.


Also known as bitterness [emoji23]
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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I think they should at the very least close down Eton; it has seriously failed.
 




Bold Seagull

Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,804
Hove
Chicken Run said:
Very immature, care to explain why my post gets a face palm, and don’t bother replying with “ if you can’t work it out I won’t waste my time” or similar, that’s lazy and means you can’t explain....
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With all the replies you've had, you've demonstrated you don't want to listen or accept any explanation that doesn't fit you're entrenched position of bitterness. That is lazy.
 






Bold Seagull

Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
29,804
Hove
Chicken Run said:
I don’t get this accident of birth shit!!!

Two people with money decide to have a child, what’s accidental about that, unless you’re suggesting that in the special stork perch they randomly pick each child to pop out of mummies tummy?
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The 'accident' is the intention of the baby, not the intention of the parents. All babies are born innocent, without choice, or decision making - they are all born equal. That one baby is born to a rich family as opposed to a poor one is an 'accident' of their birth given they have no control over that, that is not a decision they have made. It is whether you consider a child an entity in it's own right or whether it is defined by it's parental circumstance. Regardless of circumstance, all babies should have the same chances in life.
 


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