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- Thread starter ShandyH
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You realise just saying things doesn't make them any more true?
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
Perhaps spence is Trump.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Spence is an arse but not that much of an arse.
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maltaseagull
Well-known member
Judging by the knowledgeable comments about football on NSC, I suspect you may have that the wrong way round
Basic needs such as universal healthcare, in a wealthy country such as the US, imho should go beyond economic tags.
Obamacare is simply humane.
Arrogant, stinking rich Melania and the Tangerine Buffoon lack heart.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,366
That's a myth. It isn't.
Like our Labour party is very factional with many different cliques more centrist or more leftist. Biden is a centrist, Harris the most liberal of all Senators is much more to the left. The Republicans are way further right to our Conservatives.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,366
I watched the whole 45 minutes. What an orator, brilliant, engaging, funny, smart.
Forget how good and normal he was.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,599
Oh that’s a good one....
Blair....
A socialist
Cracker
Yes, it is amusing. Blair was far from that.
But it socialist values within the system of governance are a now a cornerstone of every political party's theme. Blair was a centrist. Nearly all post 1950 governments have been to one degree or another- even Wilson/Callaghan although left leaning.
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Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
As pointed out in a programme I watched recently, Trump has not forgiven and went on a crusade of hate against Obama after he mocked Trump at the 2011 White House correspondents’ dinner.
Trump has gone all out for him ever since, I think he would have loved to have a health care system, possibly different, but the main difference is he would call it Trumpcare....
It is all ego, and if you put ego before the state of the nation, you don't have the nations best interest at heart do you ?
But we knew that anyway, odious man Trump.
Melania delayed moving into the White House and re negotiated her prenup settlement before moving in. That tells you everything you need to know about the possible fall out for Trump when he leaves office and more stories will follow from angry and used aides to the president. Not to mention his tax issues will come to the fore, hopefully he will suffer an embarrassing end to his life, with time to reflect on how he has used people caused division in America.... Like feck he will....
Nothing more to see, is there?
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Dr. No
Well-known member
- Nov 28, 2016
- 562
No.
drew
Drew
Oh that’s a good one....
Blair....
A socialist
Cracker
Did he describe himself as a socialist though? Thought that most labour politicians fall under the category of believing in social democracy. Effectively using the capitalist means of production for the benefit of society as a whole and not just a small proportion of it. Corbyn on the other hand is a socialist ie that society should own the means of production.
drew
Drew
After 4 years of Trump, we forget how presidential Obama was.
The Merry Prankster
Pactum serva
I dont think youve made adjustment for what has happened in the Conservative Party recently
LBC’s excellent James O’Brien (btw hugely anti Tory) even now says that the Tory government are not on the same page of this Republican Party. I agree. It’s so easy to get carried away with personal bias and lump all right or left wing politicuans together. Trump, Pence and their Congressional chums etc have:
Literally dismantled healthcare for 10m’s of the poor.
Tore up their side of the world’s efforts on climate change.
Sought to temper women’s rights.
Likewise gay rights.
Condoned or refused to condemn racists and fascists, including undoubted murderers.
Started development in pristine wilderness and sacred native American lands.
Refused to condemn the waging of war, invasions and genocide from either Putin or China.
Cancelled laws and rules that prevented pollution.
Mocked military heroes.
Encouraged armed Alt Right thicko’s to take back their states.
On any spectrum, the current Republicans are way to the right. Here and now, real policies and acts affecting real people lives.
I remember his speech for either the 70th anniversary of D-Day in 2014 or VE Day in 2015 and thinking "whoever replaces you next year they'll be a step down from you as an orator and global leader". **** me I didn't realise quite how far.
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 14,859
Why are these people OBSESSED over bringing the families of politicians into the argument? It's almost as if they can't find anything incriminating (or anything new that hasn't been done before), so they attack them by association.
I honestly don't know which way it's going to go next week (I'm assuming Trumpo wins, so anything different will be a bonus), but I'm not quite sure where that repetitive moron Spence is getting his info about a red wave.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
I don't even think that's the case. Clause 4 was totemic at the time, but there hasn't been much chatter about its revival in Labour circles. If you had a look at the thinkers that were influencing McDonnell, and the content of Labour economic policy in the two manifestos under Corbyn's leadership, it was far, far away from that. Ownership of the means of the production is there in The Communist Manifesto, and has certainly exerted a profound influence historically, but less so now, for all sorts of reasons.