[Politics] Brexit

JC Footy Genius · Oct 7, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
This democratic vote that has to be 'respected'.

We tried leaving with a deal, and it appears there was no majority for that.

We even tried leaving with no deal (which was specifically ruled out as part of the Leave campaign), and it appears there was no majority for that.

So what should we do now to 'respect' this vote now

There is also no majority for your preferred option a 2nd referendum. We have a failed parliament that can only decide what it is against therefore unless a deal* miraculously gets agreed in the next two weeks the only option is a general election. Polls suggest Boris might get a majority which would solve the impasse. Latest poll ...

https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-3rd-october-2019/

*For the easily confused/stupid Deal = withdrawal deal, not a future trade deal. (the withdrawal deal contains the backstop)

Herr Tubthumper · Oct 7, 2019

Thoroughly enjoying Macron telling Boris what he has to do. :lolol:

Herr Tubthumper · Oct 7, 2019

Let’s just hope Boris didn’t spill any red wine on Macrons sofa.

Baldseagull · Oct 7, 2019

portslade seagull said:
Remain MPs I think you meant to say even though they triggered A50 cannot still accept the vote of the majority to leave like some on here who just put their fingers in there ears and go la la la and demand x amounts of revotes until they get the result they want. Do you accept leave won back in 2016 on the straight yes/no question asked

I accept that leave won, do you accept that Mays deal complied with that? And that a dozen different arrangements we could have aimed for and negotiated, also comply with that? Do you accept that no single version of Brexit has more of a mandate from the referendum than any other?

clapham_gull · Oct 7, 2019

rippleman said:
Unfortunately the type of PR offered was far more complex than it needed to be.

Wasn't it pretty much the same as the one we use to elect the London Mayor ?

The reason it "died" goes back to the formation of the coalition. The Tories were never going to go for it and Labour punished the Lib Dems in campaigning full-on against it.

clapham_gull · Oct 7, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
Let’s just hope Boris didn’t spill any red wine on Macrons sofa.

Has got a pole dancing pole installed ?

Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 7, 2019

So, will Trump agree to Boris' request to have the hit and run 'diplomat' returned to blighty for Due Process, as a sign of our new special post-Brexit relationship, or will he give Boris the finger?

Boris has asked now, and it is now in the news as fact, so it will be interesting to see how he explains the failure of his efforts, if* he fails.

Normally when Boris intervenes when a woman gets into trouble in foreign lands, the woman ends up doing extra jail time....

The Nation waits....

*if...... :wrong:

Lever · Oct 7, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
Wise words, always good to remind ourselves that the entrenched remainers on this thread are the extreme shouty fringe of the remain vote. Also worth remembering there are many moderate, patriotic, democratic, principled remainers who fully concur with your arguments. #letsgetbrexitdone

False dichotomy again
There are many moderate, patriotic, democratic, principled remainers who do not fully concur with those arguments. Seems to me that your post is another vague, disingenuous 'charm offensive' like Boris is currently employing.
Have you decided what type of Brexit will suit everyone yet?

portslade seagull · Oct 7, 2019

Baldseagull said:
I accept that leave won, do you accept that Mays deal complied with that? And that a dozen different arrangements we could have aimed for and negotiated, also comply with that? Do you accept that no single version of Brexit has more of a mandate from the referendum than any other?

Yes it did but party politics wouldn't allow it. An agreement should have been hammered out before triggering A50 between all the parties but they were all too busy building their demarcation lines

Lever · Oct 7, 2019

portslade seagull said:
Yes it did but party politics wouldn't allow it. An agreement should have been hammered out before triggering A50 between all the parties but they were all too busy building their demarcation lines

Agreed

Baldseagull · Oct 7, 2019

portslade seagull said:
Yes it did but party politics wouldn't allow it. An agreement should have been hammered out before triggering A50 between all the parties but they were all too busy building their demarcation lines

The thing for me is, that when any one version is put to leave supporters, it is not universally supported, and some even say they would rather remain than have this or that version of leaving. This leaves the idea that we would be respecting the wishes of the voting majority in tatters, and so a referendum on the deal makes sense to me, but JCFG and others will tell me that I am an undemocratic loon for wanting to have a vote on it.

The Clamp · Oct 7, 2019

dingodan said:
Thanks. As someone who doesn't actually know me maybe you shouldn't judge me like that. Not to mention that it's not very nice, and I don't actually deserve it for holding a different opinion than yours.

This is so tired and it's showing so many , I'm sure otherwise decent, people up as being incredibly self deceiving and ideological.

Remove your ideological specs for a moment and just ask yourself, did everyone believe when voting in the ref that the result would be what we would do? It would repected? Of course they did, and that goes for everyone.

Shouldn't the result be respected? Whatever you feel about it?

This isn't hard, it's just basic standards of decency and honesty.

I'm not even going to respond to other post replies I have had accusing me of "bullsh*t" etc.

Don't you people realize, you are in the wrong. About staying/leaving europe? Who knows. But about whether it should be done, because we all took part and knew what the score was? Yes you are wrong. If nothing else, having taken part in the vote, it's the only decent thing to do and if you took a step back you would see that, it's obvious.

I'm kind of bored with being called names and absolutely ripped apart and mocked on here for believing in something as simple as respect a democratic vote, by people who seem so self rightous and morally superior, while arguing that we shouldn't.

I've said it before but Brexit has brought the absolute worst out in some people.

Translation: “can’t we all just be nice and agree with my opinion”.
Whevz. More bullshit from a notorious bullshitter.

pb21 · Oct 7, 2019

portslade seagull said:
Yes it did but party politics wouldn't allow it. An agreement should have been hammered out before triggering A50 between all the parties but they were all too busy building their demarcation lines

Party politics aka opposition parties not voting for something they don't agree with.

clapham_gull · Oct 7, 2019

Interesting side story today. The Government were expected to announce tomorrow that EU State Aid rules would remain in force after we leave.

But they appear to have reversed the decision.

Clearly planning for no-deal and using tax payers money to prop up businesses.

Lever · Oct 7, 2019

The Clamp said:
Translation: “can’t we all just be nice and agree with my opinion”.
Whevz. More bullshit from a notorious bullshitter.

....mimicking Johnston's present behaviour.....

nicko31 · Oct 7, 2019

Nice British European Citizens being hung out to dry. What have we become?

'It's like a death sentence': retired Britons in EU face loss of healthcare

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tence-retired-britons-eu-face-loss-healthcare

Britons with serious, sometimes terminal, illnesses who live in the EU say they have no certainty about how or even whether their healthcare costs will be covered after a no-deal Brexit and are suffering a “living nightmare” of anxiety and despair.

nicko31 · Oct 7, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
There is also no majority for your preferred option a 2nd referendum. We have a failed parliament that can only decide what it is against therefore unless a deal* miraculously gets agreed in the next two weeks the only option is a general election. Polls suggest Boris might get a majority which would solve the impasse. Latest poll ...

https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-3rd-october-2019/

*For the easily confused/stupid Deal = withdrawal deal, not a future trade deal. (the withdrawal deal contains the backstop)

Parliament has not failed, that's classic Trump talk. They have been doing their job holding a corrupt executive to account that has no regard for the law.

Its the government has failed, they've achieved nothing since 2015, divided our nation, driven away investment and now risk the existence of our Union...

Lever · Oct 7, 2019

nicko31 said:
Parliament has not failed, that's classic Trump talk. They have been doing their job holding a corrupt executive to account that has no regard for the law.

Its the government has failed, they've achieved nothing since 2015, divided our nation, driven away investment and now risk the existence of our Union...

Absolutely right. Thanks.

beorhthelm · Oct 7, 2019

nicko31 said:
Parliament has not failed, that's classic Trump talk. They have been doing their job holding a corrupt executive to account that has no regard for the law.

Its the government has failed, they've achieved nothing since 2015, divided our nation, driven away investment and now risk the existence of our Union...

conveniently forgot the May years where parliament failed to do anything but bicker. then remember conveniently to make a different point.

the point that parliament can only tell us what the members are against is fair observation. they have failed to provide any alternative to either May or Johnson, perfering to oppose for the sake of it, or the sake of personal seats.

dingodan · Oct 7, 2019

The Clamp said:
Translation: “can’t we all just be nice and agree with my opinion”.
Whevz. More bullshit from a notorious bullshitter.

There it is again. Calling me a "bullshitter" because you don't agree with me.

I'm not saying let's all agree with my opinion, I'm saying let's all agree that we should do what the majority voted for in a democratic vote, because that is how a democractic vote works.

Why not be civil even if you didn't get the outcome you wanted in the vote? Stop treating this issue like some kind of football rivalry.

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