Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Thank you.Saw it on tv with no sound,but doesn't appear to be covered here.Glad he didn't hurt her.
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[Politics] Brexit
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Thank you.Saw it on tv with no sound,but doesn't appear to be covered here.Glad he didn't hurt her.
A hard border in the Irish sea would be an utter betrayal of Ulster Unionists (Bitish Citizens) and would never be supported by a single member of the Conservative and Unionist party. Apart from that, great plan.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
That's part of the price and compromise of Brexit, though.A hard border in the Irish sea would be an utter betrayal of Ulster Unionists (Bitish Citizens) and would never be supported by a single member of the Conservative and Unionist party. Apart from that, great plan.
I'm sure I had a dose of that, once. Gives you torrential diarrhoea.
For some reason my 'laughed so hard I shat' emoji isn't working.
You are either a master of comedy, or deluded. Hats off to you, either way.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
A hard border in the Irish sea would be an utter betrayal of Ulster Unionists (Bitish Citizens) and would never be supported by a single member of the Conservative and Unionist party. Apart from that, great plan.
Some of them would sell their Grandmother (or Nanny in the case of Rees-Mogg) for Brexit now though.
Jimmy Grimble
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Brexit is deliverable in two forms.
Staying in the Customs Union avoiding a hard border in NI. But according to a proportion of leavers (no one knows what proportion), this isn't Brexit.
Leave with 'No deal'. If we had begun preparing immediately after the referendum, by investing the 10s of billions required in putting customs posts on the NI border, building lorry parks at all ports, negotiation of our new schedules and quotas with the WTO, putting in the IT infrastructure, the design, building and testing of the new IT systems to run the new tariffs and rules and the recruitment and training of the new staff to run the new systems/rules etc, it may have been possible operationally by now, 3 years later. (Personally I doubt that 3 years is sufficient, but you could argue the case, if it wasn't now irrelevant). Then we would only have to worry about the economic impact of the new tariffs and procedures which I think would adversely effect us for many years to come.
So it is deliverable, but until 'the people' decide what they want, there is no way the government can deliver what 'the people' want
Absolutely correct. Of the two, a hard border between Ireland and Ulster is the only possibility that delivers a Brexit that people who want proper out will tolerate. I can just about see this as do-able. But when it was mooted a couple of years ago most of the Brexit fanatics on here poo poohed it on the grounds that it was irrelevant and unneccessary. I think that I also agree with you in that if we had spent all our time sorting out the Irish border then we could have been out by now (not what I wanted but I'm not going to spend a minute worrying about it).
The fact that none of this has happened is a testament to the collective madness that has gripped the nation, inside and outside of parliament. Or perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that nobody really wants to stare into the abyss (of 'not a real Brexit' versus 'hard Brexit and all the other stuff' you listed), let alone wonder how much it would hurt if one jumped.
Brexit isn't going to happen, is it.
TSB
Captain Hindsight
In what way is that 'undemocratic'?
We elect the people who make the decisions. They make a decision. That surely is the point of democracy.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Looks like Theresa May has had enough of the Irish border issue and is coming round to that idea as well now.
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OK, it's arguable. The Tories promised a referendum to the electorate which they went ahead with but without putting any thought into how to implement a leave vote. I don't advocate referendums in a parliamentary democracy but having carried one out, you can't really say "sorry everyone, we can't do it". Not without a massive shift in public opinion anyway.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Wonder why the MPs voted 6/1 in favour of upholding the result.
LadySeagull
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Oh yes it is. We'll see.
Mo Gosfield
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It didn't matter whether it was one single vote or 5 million votes. It was a yes/no vote and only needed a simple majority. How do you decide what is an acceptable mandate? One million, five million, ten million? Cooper and Letwin got their emergency vote though the other night by one vote ( 313 - 312 ) That was enough.
Lots of results are close.....e.g....1960 USA Presidential Election.
Kennedy.......34,220,984 ( 49.72% )
Nixon............34,108,157 ( 49.55% )
Was that enough of a mandate for Kennedy?
If there is another referendum and Remain wins 50.5 to 49.5 is that enough of a margin to say that the British people are firmly behind staying in the EU? Or if Leave wins 53 to 47 is that enough to say that the people are even more strongly behind leaving ? Whatever happens, its never going to satisfy a lot of people.
Conclusion.....avoid bloody referendums.
Pretty pink fairy
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Mo Gosfield
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vegster
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According to the BBC " she joined " the Conservative Party at the age of 5.... Must have filled in the application in crayon?
Mo Gosfield
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It was the poorest preparation for a referendum possible. Arrogance and complacency kicked in. Cameron decide that this was going to be his legacy. He would quell the Eurosceptics in his own party for another x no. of years. Farage et al would be derailed and relegated to a minor irritant and he would get two terms as PM ( minimum ).
You are right. There was no planning for Leave. He was warned by senior advisors that it could be close but the consensus was that Remain would win. He chose to ignore the fact that his visits to Brussels had yielded diddly squat in new concessions and that some members of the public were all too aware of his failings. It wasn't good enough just to predict economic downturn if Leave won. The full impact of leaving was never spelt out. The complexity involved. Their campaign manager was complacent and was outthought and out manouvered by emotion and soundbite from the other side.
The die has been cast.