No one in society under the age of 25 has had any say in our EU membership.
Do we let that slide until its anyone under 30 ? under 40 ? No one alive ?
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Do we let that slide until its anyone under 30 ? under 40 ? No one alive ?
Yes they have, we are a parliamentary democracy and as such we elect politicians to act in our best interests. For 40 years that's what they did, by staying in the EU. Then Cameron organised a badly thought through plebiscite and I'm afraid too many people didn't know what they were voting for. No shame in that, that's the whole point of a parliamentary democracy.
Now we are the point where no party dares touch Brexit in case they stoke tensions and are subject to accusations of not respecting democracy. It's a terrible situation.
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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You want to sell that idea to the SNP. They could use it to justify Scottish independence on the grounds that they are the elected representatives and their electors are too stupid to make the important decisions.
Well they won 48 out of 59 seats in Scotland so it's not a particularly outlandish idea. Thanks to Brexit, most Scots want independence now anyway.
But I'd say a decision to become a self governing nation and break up a union of several hundred years is a rare example of a good reason to hold a referendum, because nationhood is a lot more encompassing than a decision to leave an economic trading bloc.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,952
Certainly at the root of this current clusterf***. Since we voted in the referendum, we have managed to go through 4 prime ministers, 6 Chancellors and two GE's trying to 'Get Brexit Done'.
And since we actually finished the transition period and Brexit became real, 2 Prime ministers (3rd imminent), 4 chancellors and OBR reporting it's already cost twice what Covid did. And that's not even 2 years yet
Of course this could all be coincidence
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,952
Sorry about moving your post to here, but we wouldn't want to take the Liz Truss thread off topic
It was his whole campaign
Are you really saying this didn't happen ?
It was his whole campaign
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,952
Although I may have sympathies with the sentiment, I've just seen this has come up on the main board. Maybe the posts need to be adjusted accordingly
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B-right-on
Living the dream
First time looking at the Brexit thread in a long time. As it's out of the Bear Pit I thought it night have improved.
Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.
Nope. Got even worse. We are out. Get over it.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Just done the same. And agree, we along with everyone else here has to deal with the consequences and move on whatever we feel about it.
At what point are we allowed to want to go back in? “Get over it” is so childish.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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we are out at the moment, but as the economy is in such a parlous state, the obvious is beginning to coalesce in many millions of brains
remember, no trade deal from the yanks til we dissolve the union
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
It could be regarded as childish, but it can be a more realistic comment meaning move on. I would think it's unlikely we will have any sort of vote about re-joining, so for the immediate future maybe it would be better than arguing about the situation we now find ourselves in. There again, who knows what may happen, we have had covid and Ukraine since and they weren't all that predictable.
GT49er
Well-known member
Quite agree. Maybe a foulmouthed, sneering, sarcastic and abusive rant or two at the remainers would be worth a couple of days ban to get the thread back where it belongs, in the Bear Pit?
Thank goodness for the 'ignore thread' (the one in our brains) - I shall continue to use it. There's no point in looking at this thread, and even less point in expressing an opinion which doesn't please the echo-chamber.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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point of order, covid was a once in a century occurence, so entirely predictable
GT49er
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About 40 years maybe* - that was the gap between the first and second referendums (likewise between the Scottish Independence referendums). That would seem about right for something as monumental as a referendum - referendums every two or three years would be even more divisive than some people having to live without getting their own way.
*If there still is a EU in 40 years, that is.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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we'll be in a federal states of europe by then
B-right-on
Living the dream
Have you actually read some of the posts on here and you call me childish?
But to answer your question, 75% of the Leaves have wanted to not leave from day after the referendum.
I'm surprised it's only 75%, tbh. Still, from my point of view, it's encouraging to see that an ever-increasing percentage are in favour of re-joining.Have you actually read some of the posts on here and you call me childish?
But to answer your question, 75% of the Leaves have wanted to not leave from day after the referendum.
It's hardly been what one would call a success, has it?