[Albion] Alireza Jahanbakhsh joins Feyenoord

albionalex · Sep 18, 2020

vagabond said:
As opposed to Propper, Aaron and Solly who have been banging the goals in left right and Center?

Those guys are showing AJ how it’s done clearly.

Propper the holding midfielder and Solly the left wing back?

amexer · Sep 18, 2020

Jimmy Grimble said:
Weirdly, when I think of Jahanbaksh, the first moment that comes into my head is the dipping thunderbolt he hit against the bar vrs. Huddersfield at The Amex in his first season. I just remember thinking if that had gone in, how his time with us may have panned out differently.

I’m still not convinced by him as a consistent enough PL performer, but I do think he’s in the top 3 purest strikers of the ball at the club, if not the purest. I imagine he’s the sort of fella who pings them in for fun from 20+ yards in training.

Skalak struck the ball well and Solly used to

Whitechapel · Sep 18, 2020

vagabond said:
The point is you’re holding up AJ to a higher standard then others in the squad for some reason.

His games to goal record is no different to Solly, Propper or Conolly’s for instance. Yet you criticise him for being inconsistent and not scoring enough.

Why are you trying to compare the scoring record of a winger and a holding midfielder?

Might as well moan that Ryan doesn't chip in with enough goals.

vagabond · Sep 18, 2020

Alireza Jahanbakhsh signs on a 5-year deal for a club record fee

Whitechapel said:
Why are you trying to compare the scoring record of a winger and a holding midfielder?

Might as well moan that Ryan doesn't chip in with enough goals.

Fair enough the goals was an off the mark comment.

But you’re missing the larger point. It was more on consistent performances, and why some hold AJ up to a way higher standard than other players who have regularly under performed.

And you can call Propper what you like, but I don’t even remember the last time that bloke had a good game for us. Yet he gets a free pass.

Whitechapel · Sep 18, 2020

The Complete Badger said:
Stick Gross, March, MacAllister or any of our other midfielders in the Eredivisie and I’d bet my left bollock they wouldn’t have a hope in hell of scoring even 10 goals (3 in March’s case), let alone the 20+ AJ bagged in one season. That we have continued to underuse a player with those credentials while we have such a misfiring attack amazes me.

Whilst I agree we haven't utilised AliJ as much as we should have, I think you're overestimating the quality of the Dutch League a bit there.

Gross & Mac Allister would almost certainly reach 10+ goals if they played for one of the big 3/4. The year after Ali left to join us Tadic and Luuk de Jong nearly broke the 30 goal mark. Even if you ignore how weak the bottom half of the league is it's also a league where almost every team is attack-minded. Their last full season saw an average goals per game of just under 3.5, compared to the Prem being around 2.75 GPG. The year Ali J won the Golden Boot saw every team in the league average at least 1 goal per game. I tried to go back and find the last Premier season where that happened, but gave up after 15 seasons.

Claiming that Gross; who scored 7 goals in his first Prem season wouldn't reach double figures in a weaker, more attack minded league is either a bad case of short term memory or just absolute waffle.

Whitechapel · Sep 18, 2020

vagabond said:
Fair enough the goals was an off the mark comment.

But you’re missing the larger point. It was more on consistent performances, and why some hold AJ up to a way higher standard than other players who have regularly under performed.

And you can call Propper what you like, but I don’t even remember the last time that bloke had a good game for us. Yet he gets a free pass.

I agree with the general point you're making but you've picked dog shit examples. March gets stick constantly on here & twitter. Propper & Connolly split opinion too to differing degrees. Even if you take away the goal-scoring point, they're not great players to use as examples because they're some of the players who get the most stick if they don't play brilliantly.

I actually think you raise a good point, but the main players who got away with it last season were Maupay who went 9 games without scoring and Trossard who vanished for a large chunk of the season without anybody really digging him out for it. The difference is both of them had excellent starts to their Albion career which meant people cut them some slack. Ali doesn't have that, sadly.

albionalex · Sep 19, 2020

vagabond said:
Fair enough the goals was an off the mark comment.

But you’re missing the larger point. It was more on consistent performances, and why some hold AJ up to a way higher standard than other players who have regularly under performed.

And you can call Propper what you like, but I don’t even remember the last time that bloke had a good game for us. Yet he gets a free pass.

Propper is very consistent, to such an extent that we know exactly what his ceiling is.

Paulie Gualtieri · Sep 19, 2020

Wellesley said:
Lovely bloke and more importantly a superb finisher, a quality that we are in dire need of. Deserves a run in the team, which I thought he'd get after Bournemouth and Chelsea, to prove himself.

Well that certainly puts the no dickhead policy rumour to bed :massivewink

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vagabond · Sep 19, 2020

albionalex said:
Propper is very consistent, to such an extent that we know exactly what his ceiling is.

Yes... we can finally agree on something.

Stat Brother · Sep 19, 2020

Seasidesage · Sep 19, 2020

vagabond said:
The point is you’re holding up AJ to a higher standard then others in the squad for some reason.

His games to goal record is no different to Solly, Propper or Conolly’s for instance. Yet you criticise him for being inconsistent and not scoring enough.

We'll the easy answer is there are £17m reasons...

Connolly is just starting his career
Solly gets more stick than anyone
Propper is playing as a deep lying playmaker and also gets plenty of stick

Badger Boy · Sep 19, 2020

The Complete Badger said:
Stick Gross, March, MacAllister or any of our other midfielders in the Eredivisie and I’d bet my left bollock they wouldn’t have a hope in hell of scoring even 10 goals (3 in March’s case), let alone the 20+ AJ bagged in one season. That we have continued to underuse a player with those credentials while we have such a misfiring attack amazes me.

The complete sense. Although I think Mac Allister has the potential to be our finest footballer.

Badger Boy · Sep 19, 2020

The Complete Badger said:
I think you’re being very kind to Gross. The Gross of three years ago would do it, but what does that prove? I’m talking about the here and now and what I’ve seen in the last 18 months from him wouldn’t threaten ten goals in the Scottish League, let alone the Dutch!

March has absolutely no composure or ability to score goals anywhere. MacAllister, as the poster above says, has a lot of potential but nothing yet that says he would score 10 goals in any decent league.

In my opinion, the only player we have who would match AJ’s feats in the Netherlands is Maupay. Trossard may get close but I certainly wouldn’t back him for 20+. On this basis, AJ should be getting chances in a team like ours that is technically and tactically impressive but often impotent.

I agree with your points in the main, but Leandro Trossard is better than Jahanbakhsh in every aspect of the game for me and it's probably not even close if we're being honest. I think Trossard playing for a Dutch team would be devastating in the way that Dusan Tadic has been.

Hugo Rune · Sep 19, 2020

Alireza Jahanbakhsh signs on a 5-year deal for a club record fee

The Complete Badger said:
I agree he’s a better player, but is he a better finisher/goalscorer?

Of course he is not. AJ is also a specialist penalty kick taker.

P.S. Is the poster you are replying to your son?

P.P.S If he is indeed your son, why have you selected the medium of NSC to carry out your football debates on? Seems odd.

brighton_tom · Sep 19, 2020

He doesnt seem to have the speed and trickery to beat a full back when playing in a more traditional wingers role, but his shooting & passing are certainly good enough to make him dangerous as part of a front 3. We need to play him a little closer to Maupay to get the best out of him, somewhere between a winger and a supporting striker.

Mattigil · Sep 20, 2020

Another appearance by AJ with no assists or goals... He's so inconsistent...

Relevant seeming as his appearance stats get used against him so much but some people fail to realise that 3 minutes on the pitch at the end of a game isn't much of an appearance to be judging someone on. Think he deserved to be brought in today around the 65 or 70 min mark to see how he does considering his MOTM performance a few days ago. Also, Newcastle's defending today was on par with Portsmouth level of defending, they left us so much space and were too slow to close down players in and around the box.

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