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In order: justified yes, yes Gove is a complete and utter bellend, no, they are being upfront, Gove will never listen.

That's the one. I used to work for NATS at Aviation House in London but I used to go to Swanage from time to time when it was being built and kitted out. I used to work for the R&D side which was called Chief Scientist. Do this department still exist?

Where abouts do you work? When I graduated I worked on computer models for air space configuration for the NERC down in Swanage ( I think), the one which replaced West Drayton. Interesting job and I got to meet, interview and observe ATCOs both at West Drayton and in the control tower at Heathrow.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife. As I said, no agenda for asking other than I'm just curious about how and why people make such different career changes.

I appreciate where you're coming from but surely there must be plenty of regulations, processes and checks in place to prevent you unintentionally ****ing up? There must be. And as for responsibility; surely the education of the nation must rank very very highly?

Fine, good for you. But this is your approach. Other professions deal with things in a different way.

Out of interest why did you turn to small-holding? This is a genuine question and not part of the teacher debate.

You avoided my question. Are you self employed ?

Lack of sympathy is one argument, the naked hatred being shown by some is something else and something I do not understand.

Are you self employed?

Why should they? I see it differently. I actually admire people for allowing their voices to be heard, making a stand and not wanting to be continually screwed over in the profession, or any thing for that matter. If more people acted like this and said enough is enough the country would be a...

And how the hell have we arrived at this position? Successive governments have left the UK a basket case, MPs have been brazenly fiddling tax payers money, financial types got way out of their depth and asked us to bail them out etc etc and a significant portion of NSC just seem to round on...

Quite. Bizarre isn't it.

Glad to hear this. I was being facetious by making some crud ill-informed generalisations about an industry I know little about, as seems to be the case with many on this thread.

Okay. So the rate for your job is circa 40k with some over time and you have drawn some interesting parallels with teaching qualifications, training and constant monitoring. So, if I wanted to compare the average teacher salary to the private world 40k would seem reasonable.

Oh do behave. If fox hunting is all farmers have to worry about then it's a cushy number.

Basic salary? Come on, what were you really paid?

What is the agenda with you? An argument about teaching practices, standards and wanting what is best is one thing, but you barely, if ever, talk about this. Yours is pure spite and naked hatred of the teaching profession. You seem to have a very large axe to grind. So, why is this? What...

Being ex-military will stop you doing the degree and PGCE; you can just breeze in with no qualifications at all. Raising standards!

With your attitude to teachers is no wonder things are a complete mess at present. But hey, let's give the MPs and extra 6k a year. And let's recruit a load of untrained soldiers; that will really work won't it. PS did you not get the qualifications you wanted?