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I think that is a very reasonable position. As the OP, if I didn’t start this thread, someone else would have. I think to have the freedom to debate these very sensitive geo-political subjects is something we should be proud of being able to do in the UK freely, without state or Government...

Don’t presume anything. You pick a point I made and turn it around to condem what the one side did or didn’t do. There is massive nuance and detail in the middle, in a war( and that’s what was started in 07 Oct by Iran/Hamas) which we don’t talk about. I don’t speak for Isreal and have zero...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html

Unbelievable…

Yup, I do have an issue with Islam in general, as it not a religion which has a lot redeeming features, (not many do) Now Christmas is over, can resume again now the turkey has been devoured. You’ve highlighted a point which is not only prevalent in Islam countries, but across other countries...

That’s ok then…the many Muslims worldwide who don’t agree, should be stopping it. I don’t see it anywhere.

Always two sides, but one side is always morally superior and more accepted than the other, even though what they say/think is morally wrong and at best anti- Semitic, saying they wish ill on a very sizeable minority of the Jewish faith. Not good. I have never stated that I wish ill on a...

Or the leader of Hamas is on record saying he wants to wipe Israel completely away…. No squaring that circle with negotiation. Always two sides

Of course we should comment (and are doing so) on what Israel is doing in Gaza. They are trying to get rid of a terrorist group who are trying to wipe them of the face of the earth. Hamas are hiding under and in where civilians live, so to kill terrorists, there will be civilian casualties...

Like I said, there is always civilian casualties, especially if those civilians are deliberately placed there as they know they will be collateral damage, due to Hamas hiding beneath and among them. Any comment on my other points re Muslims killing other Muslims? Didn’t think so

Why don’t other Muslim countries accept them as refugees?

Hamas is the physical representation of hatred of Jews and the Jewish state, and has stated again today it would action Oct 07 again and again until no Israel exists and all Jews are dead. How can you counter this with political will and negotiation? You can’t. It’s impossible to wipe out a...

I’ll just leave this for tonight

The rest of it you agree I assume then? Pretty darn close though…..

Considering I live in the west and enjoy all the freedoms and tech innovations that has to offer, I don’t like what the alternative might look like. ( I assume you enjoy all the freedoms enjoyed by me as well as you’re on this forum and not living in a country which chops hands off if you steal...

One of the main focus points of my original post was the geo-political focus of Iran and Russia/Chinese axis of the sponsoring of Hamas and Hezbollah. You could say Putin has played a blinder in bringing those 2 with him. He has cultivated a relationship with Iran and Xi in support in Ukraine...

Pretty crass remark. We’ve already been bombed Bombs (of the Islamic suicide nature) have been detonated in London and Manchester in recent years, killing scores of innocent people. I repeat, I don’t want to see any bombing on the streets of our country again. The glorification of 1400 Jews...

That’s the point, we don’t live in the Middle East or Gaza.