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  1. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    If the South Yorkshire village was rotting, whose fault was that. Some have pointed out that Harold Wilson closed more pits than Margaret Thatcher, but he seemed to do more to help the Communities regenerate and thrive in other directions. I believe Norman tebbit has commented at some point that...
  2. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    Isn't that precisely the problem. To get a state funeral you would have to have parliamentary approval, which was probably easy for Churchill because he led a united country through a horrendous 5 or 6 years to victory and enjoyed fairly (but not totally) unanimous support. They did as much...
  3. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    Well said. I have just posted along the same lines, but forgot to mention I was at school in the 1970's and don't remember a single teacher with a beard, or any who wore sandals or corduroy. Many of them politically were also probably somewhere right of Attila the Hun. Good teachers, then as...
  4. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    This is possibly the single most ridiculous post I have ever read anywhere on the internet. Apart from the fact that I totally reject your view of the teaching profession, is it better to have a national curriculum which can be used by a nutcase Education Secretary to impose his antiquated...
  5. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    It's not on the website now. Street parties are mentioned, but the BBC this morning has been reporting celebrations in various places. I am not accusing you of making it up, I just want to maintain that the Guardian is not glorying in the demise of a former PM. It's coverage today strikes me as...
  6. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    When you say "deliberately misleading headline in the Guardian", I have just flicked through all three sections of the Guardian twice and have not found that headline anywhere, either prominent on the front page or tucked away on page 5, if you get my drift. It might be on their website, I...
  7. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    maybe "changed the collective national mindset" was a bit strong. But she certainly shifted the orthodoxy, or moved the goalposts, or made sure that things would not be the same again, because politicians coming afterwards, of whatever persuasion, were unwilling to go against what had now become...
  8. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    Made people greedy among other things. I realise I have three big things in common with the Blessed Margaret: I come from a methodist background I am the son (not daughter) of a Grocer. I studied at oxford. I did not appear to share her views or values on anything, however.
  9. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    I think the majority of heavyweight political commentators would disagree with you. It seems to be commonly accepted that she changed the collective national mindset.
  10. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    I agree totally. I think my first post on this thread said I would not be celebrating.
  11. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    I probably meant the people who ought to read it but who will dismiss it because of where it is from. Sorry to generalise.
  12. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    And your point is? Personally I don't think she did any of those things - in fact quite the opposite - and reading that Jim prior, a tory politician at the time, was almost sick on the spot when he heard her quote that shows either how cynical it was, or, if she actually meant it, how far she...
  13. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    To be fair, she didn't privatise the trains. Apart from that, I wouldn't argue with any of that. For me, the die was cast on day One when she quoted (or rather misquoted) Francis of Assisi on her way in to number 10. I am sure St Francis was spinning in his grave.
  14. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    My daughter pointed me towards what I thought was an excellent article from the Guardian website yesterday, although I would think the majority on here would not read it because it was from the Guardian. Margaret Thatcher and misapplied death etiquette | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free |...
  15. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    I think the lack of class is your own seeming inability to accept that people might have opinions that differ from your own and have the right to express them.
  16. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    Just to point out that three day weeks came about under the conservative Heath Government..... just saying.
  17. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    I wasn't living in Brighton Kemptown. I was in Worthing firstly, then Oxford in the early '70s.
  18. DavidinSouthampton

    Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

    Absolutely spot-on. I hated ted heath when he was in power, but then he didn't seem too bad when Thatcher came along. Now we have got Cameron and Osborne running the show, the thatcher Years almost look attractive. I am very much on the anti side, the worst prime minister in my lifetime, and...
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