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Ok, thanks for doing the maths, but on your figures, he comes bottom and three of them only played a seasons worth of games? the reason I highlighted them were because by and large they were journeymen, nothing special. What are you trying to say?

And your maths even worse

Your hazy because I have a different opinion? I have spent a lifetime watching the Albion and if I have learned one thing about football fans, its about opinions. So because my opinion on here is different from yours you question why I watch the Albion, don't take it too seriously its only an...

Just trying to provide some balance. if you read my posts i'm not actually criticising him, but the level of adulation he gets from some on here, which, I feel is unwarranted. Any way I was at a loose end this morning so it provided some entertainment.

Well, we do want him to score more and any other player in the team for that matter, his goal against Arsenal was fantastic last year but his disciplinary record let him down, when it really counted. I have no issue with him, he's just not what some are making out on here. Yes, play him with...

With six games to go last season, automatic promotion was in our hands and we let it go, as for the play offs, hardly our best performances.

Need to refine it to the Championship, CMS 11 last year in half a season, Barnes needs to score some in a hurry.

Well lets compare Ashley to Fred Binney, Gary Nelson, Michael Robinson, Ken Beamish, Lamie Robertson, Malcolm Posket and see what coloured glasses I am wearing then. I need to reiterate, that I have no problem with Ashley Barnes, I just fail to understand why some think he is so good, when his...

Thank you, but what we want is to be conceding less and scoring more, so by definition its not as good as it could be.

No not at all, I didn't miss any of the passing the ball across the back four for a quarter of the game, or the 'lets give the ball to Vicente at all costs strategy, slow build up identified by the opposition so easily, hence the endless bore draws, or the not coming back after being behind...

Of course, surely that's a yardstick which to measure against or are we just settling for mediocrity?

Do Ulloa and CMS play a similar game?

I do not have the facts to hand, however he has only two goals this season is not great, yes he has his place in the team but why such adulation?

So there s a threshold to the strategy of tracking back helping in defence and not scoring goals. If Barnes played a similar game all season we would be looking at him scoring 6 goals and that is just not acceptable.

I recall Wardy going it alone on many occasions, beating defenders, getting into the box and scoring all sorts of goals, a player of his time who was in the England squad as a third division player. I am trying to illustrate that if Barnes stood up more he would achieve more, some times its...

Like Messi, Ronaldo et al, jack of all trades and master of none springs to mind. Next you'll be advocating TK going up for corners.

Yes that's fine, the conversation has moved away from Barnes however. I am not anti Barnes by any means, I just struggle with the way he is held up in such high esteem for scoring 2 goals in 16 games. If he is great then Crofts must be out of this world with his five.

Peter Ward took a lot of big hits in his day and stood up a lot, one talent he had was to go for goal which he did very well.

So are we conceding less goals because of his efforts or are we scoring less goals because of his efforts? Help me out here.

If Barnes is leading the line, then him, tracking back to support the defence is a waste of effort on his part and using up resources that should be targeted in the opposition box. Yes its a team game and yes for set plays we will send bigger taller men up but as a matter of course we don't see...