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Ah, therein lies the rub; 1 we didn't have a say in the sale of our club 2 the other bids put to Ashley were not accepted, the Saudi bid was the only one he was willing to push forward with. Rumours are that it's because as part of the negotiations he pressed for the right to open Sports Direct...

I don't really understand the logic behind your post. Is it that Newcastle fans have no justification to hold Ashley in contempt, because during his 14 seasons we averaged a bottom half of the top flight finish? We must disregard everything else, and instead compare our average league position...

Haven't defended the Saudis one bit. I have defended the fans from some pretty petty internet point scoring though. I've seen us be called thick, that we're all lock step behind the Saudis, that Ashley wasn't a bad owner (and thus by implication that we were wrong to want him out), and so on...

That your criticism of us is somewhat diluted by the global acceptance of late stage capitalism

Why couldn't we be part of the chasing pack, like you've become, like Brentford are aiming for? What about Newcastle United prevents us from aiming for that?

That's not the truth. Not if you can set aside your own subjective position and look at it objectively. Objectively Ashley brought a competitive sporting institution low, tore out it's heart, and through his actions and inactions forced thousands to give up on what once was integral to their...

I have not heard a single song celebrating Saudi Arabia. The public projection is just that, a projection. It's as profound as the chants you hear up and down the country. I don't think it's irrelevant at all. The terraces are theatre, with bravado and braggadocio dominating above genuine...

It is a complicated and layered abstract, you're right. And while some owners can provide sustainability because the budget is small so they need to sell the best players, or scale back on investment into the infrastructure. Some owners can provide community involvement because everything else...

I thought misrepresenting people's words was ok on here? I mean, I didn't say "If everyone else is doing it why shouldn't I", but you suggest I did.

But we don't though, do we? Newcastle United exists for more than simply sportswashing the Saudi regime (unsuccessfully by the way), just as Brighton doesn't solely exist to promote AMEX, does it?

Isn't that just terrace nonsense? Like when people sing that "we're by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen"? I think the last bit is key. From the outside you see only the surface, check the Newcastle boards, ask them what they actually think.

No, I as a fan, am entitled to an owner who tries to make the club the best it can be. e.g. Blyth Spartans is my local non-league side, they can't win the FA Cup, they probably won't get into the football league in my life time, they're entitled to an owner who makes them the best version of...

Thanks. I respect that, and like I've said I know mates who have done just that. Nothing but respect for them too.

I hate to do this, but there are many examples of people giving money to Saudi state owned businesses. Claiming that had I come on here and gave it the big one, "LoadsaMoney" and lording it up I'd have been more warmly welcomed, is just ridiculous.

It's not entitlement beyond one thing all fans are entitled to. That the custodians of their club do all they can to make that club the best version of itself that it can be during their time in position. Ashley didn't do that. He hobbled my club, left it to rot.

11/14 seasons in Europe before Ashley bought us, 7/14 seasons in the top 7, legitimate title challenges, FA Cup finals. Thousands on the season ticket waiting list. 1/14 seasons in Europe under Ashley, 1 season in the top 7, 2 relegations. No stadium, academy, training investment during his...

Why do you only deal in absolutes? Have you no idea about nuance?

Again, the damage Ashley did to our club was over 14 years, not simply the last few seasons before the sale. It's easy to score internet points with though, I guess. "How can Ashley possibly be considered a bad owner when he bought that player for £40m?" How can he be a bad owner when he...

How about the rest of tenure? What about the rest of what a club is? Do you measure your happiness or connection to Brighton solely by the players bought? I bet you don't, I bet there's more to it than that.

I mean, this has been covered before, if you care to read back?