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Seeing reports on twitter that the 2 Ukrainian jets shot down today may have been hit by missiles fired from INSIDE Russia @PzFeed

First bodies have landed back in Holland R.I.P.

Yes but could you show me a case where Sky or the BBC have reported something from 'sources inside the UK government' and they have got it totally wrong? These are off the record briefings by people on the inside, a way of getting the story out. Not someone overhearing something in the lobby...

You don't see a difference between military intervention to protect the crash site and military intervention due to the crash?

It's on the BBC as well if you bother to look, are you trying to suggest Sky made up the story and attributed to the UK government hoping they would not notice

Seems strange they would do this if they were not responsible?

I have not heard of anyone calling for military intervention

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http://news.sky.com/story/1306134/rebels-mh17-site-sabotage-plan-intercepted

What actions are you talking about that will cause more lives to be lost?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/20/conspiracy-radio-host-alex-jones-calls-mh17-downing-a-false-flag-because-of-course-he-would/ Alex Jones has never met a news story he could turn into an establishment conspiracy theory, grabbing some information and totally disregarding others. The most...

How can you explain away the recorded phone call?

Very good post, thanks for all that information

Trained and armed by Russia, if not actually Russian forces

I believe it was about 12 hours, reported by BBC on radio, I will try and find a link. The fact is the black boxes should never have been moved by anyone else but the investigators, no reason for the Russian rebels to even touch them. With everything posted in this thread I would have thought...

Representatives from the Malaysian Airline and Malaysian government were in Ukraine within hours of the crash

News is breaking from BBC and others that the train only held 200, not the 282 bodies that the rebels had claimed, no word on where the others maybe at this stage

There were small naval engagements between US/Nato and small Iranian ships at the time. The moment the plane was shot down the ship was under attack from Iranian gunboats, they identified the plane as an Iranian F-14, military and passenger jets came out of the same airport at the time, and...

It is so helpful when posts are changed after they have been replied to, almost impossible to keep a discussion going

Black boxes are on their way to London eventually, so Farnborough I would guess, good news indeed