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Justice

Justice

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Fare dodging was rife amongst Albion fans back in the day me included. All you had to do was give a false address and promise to pay later 🤣 tbf I was 16 at the time and earnt about £20 a week.
 






Greenbag50

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jcdenton08 said:
Right, but the underlying social issues are wider than London, as are the crime rates.

I don’t think Khan’s doing a great job, but I similarly think Pep couldn’t have won the title with this year’s Southampton side. Not without a huge increase in budget.
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They are indeed bigger than London.
The societal changes have little to do with money, but more to do with values held and handed down moral rules and home life.
I rarely knew a divorced/ one parent household growing up, people were made different and this was only in the 80’s.
This country has changed and I would argue not for the better.
We had no money in the 70’s as kids. No benefits, no car, no phones, walk to school and back. We had values instilled in is from our parents and grand parents.
Respect others, work hard, don’t steal and you will do well in life. Myself and my 2 older sisters have done well. We were brought up in a housing estate in Glasgow.
No excuses. Have values. Respect others.
It’s not hard.
 


The Clamp

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Pevenseagull said:
No.


It is about affordability for a lot of people


Maybe not you


But for a lot of people it is.
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I had f*** all as a kid.

Used to have to wear my school sports kit as as casual clothes because my mum couldn't afford jeans etc for us.

No PlayStations, trips out, McDonalds, cinema etc. all things kids take for granted now.

I got caught stealing a DC comic from the newsagent and I got the rollicking of my life from my Mum.
She told the shopkeeper to get the police. I got a rollicking from them.
Grounded for a month. Pushbike that was given to me by a neighbour was taken back to the neighbour.
No telly, comics or sports for a month.

Never stole a thing again as long as I lived.
 


Sid and the Sharknados

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jcdenton08 said:
It was a her - and she looked terrified of them. I certainly would’ve done the same in her situation, not worth getting jumped.

And I’m sure you’re right; but my example is just a microcosm of the bubbling entitlement of “I want it, it’s mine, because the rules don’t apply to me”.

These aren’t 19th century gutter snipes stealing a slice of pie cooling on a windowsill. These are people growing up in a society where they have the belief that rules don’t apply to them.

Want a new bike? Well, I’m not getting a job in McDonalds or a paper round, saving up my money, and working hard to buy one. I’ll just take someone else’s - I deserve nice things too. And the police don’t even turn up for petty thefts (from personal experience).

There are still good people, the vast majority in fact, but there are a subset of society - and crime numbers bear out that it is larger than ever - who truly feel the world owes them something for nothing.
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I shouldn't have guessed/assumed the sex of the guard, sorry about that.

But really, I simply don't accept the premise that there's more crime and more entitlement now than 20 or 40 or 80 years ago. More of specific types of crime, quite possibly, but that's a result of how willing we are to pay for things to be enforced properly. There's plenty of posts on this board alone from people who lived in the 60s, 70s or whenever which show there were no shortage of twats willing to behave however they liked as long as there wasn't a policeman literally stood right there.
 




Zeberdi

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Greg Bobkin said:
I've always found them a DELIGHT.
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Turkish baths are too.

Unless they have weird people in them* …

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*Disclaimer - this is not Robert Jenrick. It just looks like him.
 


The Clamp

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Everyone but the absolute dirt poorest kids these days have scooters, branded clothes and trainers. Phones, earbuds, iPads etc.

No reason for stealing stuff like bikes and phones. Luxury items. Never has been a good reason. Never will be.
 


The Clamp

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In the 80’s and 90’s if you couldn’t afford train fare, you walked or you didn’t see your mates.

Life’s hard. Get a helmet.
 






Eeyore

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Greenbag50 said:
So you agree fare dodging is ok as long as the person telling you isn’t a Tory who has done a dodgy deal
You’d rather agree and say fare dodging is ok, only if you think the person telling you, you agree with
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I'm no sure at which point I said it was okay, especially given that I said 'he may well have a point'.

But if he truly wants to talk about a society where illegal denial of income is an issue, and it is, one would suggest that the £30m+ he nearly cost the taxpayer when supporting, against advice, a Tory donor, might just come up.

Same thing, innit ?

Happy to talk about the issues of theft in society, just not with him on the poster.
 


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Greenbag50 said:
They are indeed bigger than London.
The societal changes have little to do with money, but more to do with values held and handed down moral rules and home life.
I rarely knew a divorced/ one parent household growing up, people were made different and this was only in the 80’s.
This country has changed and I would argue not for the better.
We had no money in the 70’s as kids. No benefits, no car, no phones, walk to school and back. We had values instilled in is from our parents and grand parents.
Respect others, work hard, don’t steal and you will do well in life. Myself and my 2 older sisters have done well. We were brought up in a housing estate in Glasgow.
No excuses. Have values. Respect others.
It’s not hard.
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You're right, there were definitely no criminals in the olden days and everyone was better.

Much better to send 'illegitimate' children off to Australia, for example, than have to suffer being exposed to single parent families.

You say you had values instilled in you by your parents and grand parents, so presumably by implication, the values of the current generation that you find so disappointing were instilled on your watch?
 




Pevenseagull

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Jul 20, 2003
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The Clamp said:
I had f*** all as a kid.

Used to have to wear my school sports kit as as casual clothes because my mum couldn't afford jeans etc for us.

No PlayStations, trips out, McDonalds, cinema etc. all things kids take for granted now.

I got caught stealing a DC comic from the newsagent and I got the rollicking of my life from my Mum.
She told the shopkeeper to get the police. I got a rollicking from them.
Grounded for a month. Pushbike that was given to me by a neighbour was taken back to the neighbour.
No telly, comics or sports for a month.

Never stole a thing again as long as I lived.
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I'm guessing that they didn't have PlayStation when you were a kid.


We didn't have a colour television until I was 10 years old.
 


Eeyore

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The Clamp said:
In the 80’s and 90’s if you couldn’t afford train fare, you walked or you didn’t see your mates.

Life’s hard. Get a helmet.
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Or just jumped the train. It's nothing new. Let those who have never, ever, dodged a fare cast the first stone.

The funniest story I have is of a relation of mine. 4 years and over had a fare levied on them. A bus driver asked her how old she was when she got on the bus. 'I'm 3 when I get on and 4 when I get off' came the reply :ROFLMAO:
 


lawros left foot

lawros left foot

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Maybe people would have more respect for the law, if they hadn’t seen him and his ilk getting away with breaking the law for the past 14 years.

Lining Tory donor pockets, breaking lockdown laws they , themselves made, driving 40 miles to test their eyes, selling unusable PPE to the NHS for exorbitant prices, various sex crimes, passing intelligence to foreign governments, list goes on, and on and on.
 




Eeyore

Eeyore

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Pevenseagull said:
I'm guessing that they didn't have PlayStation when you were a kid.


We didn't have a colour television until I was 10 years old.
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TEN YEARS OLD ? You were lucky. We had to watch Cup Final through 't neighbours window every year int pouring rain.
 


The Clamp

The Clamp

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Eeyore said:
Or just jumped the train. It's nothing new. Let those who have never, ever, dodged a fare cast the first stone.

The funniest story I have is of a relation of mine. 4 years and over had a fare levied on them. A bus driver asked her how old she was when she got on the bus. 'I'm 3 when I get on and 4 when I get off' came the reply :ROFLMAO:
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The big difference is what happened when you got caught then.

Try walking away from a station master 30 yrs ago and telling them to f*** off. You’d be lucky to keep your hide.
 
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A1X

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A1X

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But seriously, when will these low level criminals be tackled?

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