[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:09 PM

hans kraay fan club said:
This is so wilfully ignorant, that I'm not sure why I'm bothering. But...

Why are you comparing their best defender Guehi to Webster, rather than Van Hecke?
Why are you comparing their best midfielder Wharton to Ayari, rather than Baleba?
Why are you comparing their best attacker Eze to Joao Pedro, rather than Mitoma?

Because i'm matching up the positions/roles they predominantly play in their respective sides.

Left sided CB
Centre midfield rather than DM (Will Hughes and Wharton vs Baleba and Ayari)
Second striker.

It isn't wilful ignorance.
The very article you posted, calls out all 3 of these players for special mention.

Mitoma has been amazing and would grace any team, BAleba is starting to show his potential and VAn Hecke is thankfully still under the Radar

I'm the last person to normally take this point of view, but this season they have had some standout performances from their key players.
Glasner has put together a very well balanced first 11.

A1X · Tuesday at 1:19 PM

Flounce said:
I now look forward to a season where they bemoan losing star players, hopefully the manager, lack of quality in squad depth, injuries and lots of angst as they struggle in both the PL and the Europa qualifiers

This is it for me, when the dust settles and everything is said and done and next, we as a club are ultimately better placed and in a much better position going forward. They've had a perfect storm this season of lucking into a good manager, almost no major injuries to talk of and almost every big team underperforming / falling out of the cup early.

We have a better stadium, better training ground, better set of young players, better financial position and more opportunity to grow. This might well be as good as it ever gets for them, it's annoying but that's life. They're the turd rolled in glitter.

Deadly Danson · Tuesday at 1:20 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
I'm the last person to normally take this point of view, but this season they have had some standout performances from their key players.
Glasner has put together a very well balanced first 11.

Then why, with fewer injuries and an established manager did they finish well below us and were bottom half all season? I don't disagree that some parts of the media, even before the cup win, seem to love them - I remember Linekar a few weeks back saying they had had an amazing season - but it's statistically and evidentially incorrect. They were worse than similar sized clubs like us, Brentford, Fulham and Plucky - I just don't get your argument.

Stato · Tuesday at 1:22 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
Now then, find me someone who doesn't think Palace had a better season.

Of course cheating their way to an FA Cup win will colour the overall memory and I'm sure 17th placed Tottenham will remember their moment in the sun too.

However, in the EPL, our achievement has been much more impressive: New manager, new squad, terrible injury problems, would have made Europe if City/FA Cup final officials had done their job properly vs team who were tipped for a tilt at the top six after an impressive end to the previous season finishing twelfth again.

As I've said, I'm green with envy that their luck held in the FA Cup, but that is now in the past. Our optimism about next year feels like its on a far more solid base than theirs. Guehi and Mateta are in the last year of their contracts and Eze and Wharton are being sniffed by a few big beasts. Losing two of those would impact them far more than us losing a couple of our top performers.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:23 PM

A1X said:
This is it for me, when the dust settles and everything is said and done and next, we as a club are ultimately better placed and in a much better position going forward. They've had a perfect storm this season of lucking into a good manager, almost no major injuries to talk of and almost every big team underperforming / falling out of the cup early.

We have a better stadium, better training ground, better set of young players, better financial position and more opportunity to grow. This might well be as good as it ever gets for them, it's annoying but that's life. They're the turd rolled in glitter.

Yeah This.

Parish has got some very big decisions to make on the squad, if he wants to keep everyone happy next season.

Berty23 · Tuesday at 1:24 PM

Deadly Danson said:
Then why, with fewer injuries and an established manager did they finish well below us and were bottom half all season? I don't disagree that some parts of the media, even before the cup win, seem to love them - I remember Linekar a few weeks back saying they had had an amazing season - but it's statistically and evidentially incorrect. They were worse than similar sized clubs like us, Brentford, Fulham and Plucky - I just don't get your argument.

With a full season for their manager rather than half he had last time saw them go from 10th last season to 12 this and picking up 4 fewer points. But VAR screwed up so therefore superb season! Had var not been asleep then by doing nothing different palace may well have won sod all and simply gone backwards this season. Narrative completely different thanks to something someone else didn’t do.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:32 PM

Stato said:
Of course cheating their way to an FA Cup win will colour the overall memory and I'm sure 17th placed Tottenham will remember their moment in the sun too.

However, in the EPL, our achievement has been much more impressive: New manager, new squad, terrible injury problems, would have made Europe if City/FA Cup final officials had done their job properly vs team who were tipped for a tilt at the top six after an impressive end to the previous season finishing twelfth again.

As I've said, I'm green with envy that their luck held in the FA Cup, but that is now in the past. Our optimism about next year feels like its on a far more solid base than theirs. Guehi and Mateta are in the last year of their contracts and Eze and Wharton are being sniffed by a few big beasts. Losing two of those would impact them far more than us losing a couple of our top performers.

Yeah all things considered our achievement is pretty good, but we did also spend £200m to help us in all the areas we have been able to overcome this season. So I wouldn't say it's "impressive" as such.

The Jury is still out on Huerzeler, i would suggest. He has done well - without setting the world alight.
Glasner has proven himself this season and should be well set to get Parish to support him, next season.

Our optimism is justified because of our ownership and the depth of squad we have built up.
Their optimism is based on their current top performers and head coach.

Agreed our optimism has better foundations, but right now, their immediate future looks quite bright.

Berty23 · Tuesday at 1:35 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
Yeah all things considered our achievement is pretty good, but we did also spend £200m to help us in all the areas we have been able to overcome this season. So I wouldn't say it's "impressive" as such.

The Jury is still out on Huerzeler, i would suggest. He has done well - without setting the world alight.
Glasner has proven himself this season and should be well set to get Parish to support him, next season.

Our optimism is justified because of our ownership and the depth of squad we have built up.
Their optimism is based on their current top performers and head coach.

Agreed our optimism has better foundations, but right now, their immediate future looks quite bright.

I have explained the 200 million and hardly any of them have played!

Berty23 · Tuesday at 1:40 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
Because i'm matching up the positions/roles they predominantly play in their respective sides.

Left sided CB
Centre midfield rather than DM (Will Hughes and Wharton vs Baleba and Ayari)
Second striker.

It isn't wilful ignorance.
The very article you posted, calls out all 3 of these players for special mention.

Mitoma has been amazing and would grace any team, BAleba is starting to show his potential and VAn Hecke is thankfully still under the Radar

I'm the last person to normally take this point of view, but this season they have had some standout performances from their key players.
Glasner has put together a very well balanced first 11.

So well balanced they managed to finish 12th in the league. Worse than last season.

No one is denying they have achieved winning the cup final but it is strange to argue they are better than us despite falling backwards and not having close to as many injuries.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:41 PM

Deadly Danson said:
Then why, with fewer injuries and an established manager did they finish well below us and were bottom half all season? I don't disagree that some parts of the media, even before the cup win, seem to love them - I remember Linekar a few weeks back saying they had had an amazing season - but it's statistically and evidentially incorrect. They were worse than similar sized clubs like us, Brentford, Fulham and Plucky - I just don't get your argument.

A football season is about more than league points and places.

They tried to crow about finishing 1 pt above us last season, when we all knew that 8 games in Europe was worth 20 times the joy they had in that moment.

Their season has been about the FA cup from the minute the Milwall keeper took Mateta's ear off.

How many points would you equate to a quarter -final win?
What about a Semi-final?
Now how about a cup final win?

I'd trade those 8 pts and 4 places in a heart beat.
Sure we finished above them, but they smashed their way through the QF and SF, before riding their luck in the final.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:47 PM

Berty23 said:
I have explained the 200 million and hardly any of them have played!

Rutter £40m
Minteh £ 30m
Gruda £25m
O'Riley £25m
KAdioglu £25m
Gomez £10m

have all played and scored in our Premier League campaign.

So lets just call it £150m then

Deadly Danson · Tuesday at 1:48 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
A football season is about more than league points and places.

They tried to crow about finishing 1 pt above us last season, when we all knew that 8 games in Europe was worth 20 times the joy they had in that moment.

Their season has been about the FA cup from the minute the Milwall keeper took Mateta's ear off.

How many points would you equate to a quarter -final win?
What about a Semi-final?
Now how about a cup final win?

I'd trade those 8 pts and 4 places in a heart beat.
Sure we finished above them, but they smashed their way through the QF and SF, before riding their luck in the final.

Oh if you're simply arguing (which absolutely wasn’t the case with your previous posts) that winning the cup means they have had a more enjoyable and memorable season than us then I don't disagree.

The Optimist · Tuesday at 1:48 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
fair enough, I retract disappointing.

Lets settle on Solid shall we?

Now then, find me someone who doesn't think Palace had a better season.

I was interested in what the pundits had thought. The one pundit we have discussed has said solid so happy to settle on that. A solid first season for Hurzeler - seems fair.

I would call 12th and an FA Cup win a better season than 8th. But in terms of optimism for next season I feel we are in a much better position (but maybe that’s a biased view).

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:50 PM

Berty23 said:
So well balanced they managed to finish 12th in the league. Worse than last season.

No one is denying they have achieved winning the cup final but it is strange to argue they are better than us despite falling backwards and not having close to as many injuries.

I have argued they have a stronger starting 11.
They have fallen backwards because they don't have our depth,

I'm happy about that.
They "should" see a decreasing return over the next 12 months.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:53 PM

Deadly Danson said:
Oh if you're simply arguing (which absolutely wasn’t the case with your previous posts) that winning the cup means they have had a more enjoyable and memorable season than us then I don't disagree.

No I'm not arguing that. My statement that so many have objected to was "Palace have had a superb season".
At no point have I said Palace's Premier league campaign was better than ours.

3 wins in the latter stages of the cup, are a massive factor in a club's season.
Just like the 8 games in the Europa league were the major part of our season.

It isn't just about the points and places in the table.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 1:56 PM

The Optimist said:
I was interested in what the pundits had thought. The one pundit we have discussed has said solid so happy to settle on that. A solid first season for Hurzeler - seems fair.

I would call 12th and an FA Cup win a better season than 8th. But in terms of optimism for next season I feel we are in a much better position (but maybe that’s a biased view).

Next season they have an opportunity to excel in 4 competitions, we have just 3.
So I think they have a much better chance of having a memorable season.

But I'm confident we will finish above them in the Premier League.

Berty23 · Tuesday at 1:59 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
I have argued they have a stronger starting 11.
They have fallen backwards because they don't have our depth,

I'm happy about that.
They "should" see a decreasing return over the next 12 months.

Fair enough. They had the eleven available much more than our us and our second string for much of the season turned around a one point deficit from last year to 8 points better this. That is 9 points.

So apparently they have a better first eleven which was available for more of the season that ours which was never available but still finished 9 points worse off than last year vs us.

Okay. Got ya.

Uh_huh_him · Tuesday at 2:06 PM

Berty23 said:
Fair enough. They had the eleven available much more than our us and our second string for much of the season turned around a one point deficit from last year to 8 points better this. That is 9 points.

So apparently they have a better first eleven which was available for more of the season that ours which was never available but still finished 9 points worse off than last year vs us.

Okay. Got ya.

You're missing out the 3 cup wins - we didn't have.
Oh and the two games they beat us in.

Got me now?

Brian Munich · Tuesday at 2:07 PM

Uh_huh_him said:
Yeah all things considered our achievement is pretty good, but we did also spend £200m to help us in all the areas we have been able to overcome this season. So I wouldn't say it's "impressive" as such.

The Jury is still out on Huerzeler, i would suggest. He has done well - without setting the world alight.
Glasner has proven himself this season and should be well set to get Parish to support him, next season.

Our optimism is justified because of our ownership and the depth of squad we have built up.
Their optimism is based on their current top performers and head coach.

Agreed our optimism has better foundations, but right now, their immediate future looks quite bright.

We spent 200m this season but our net spend over the last 3-4 seasons - during which time the bulk of the respective squads has been built - is far less than Palace’s.

Besides, for that 200m we’ve got a fairly deep squad, so despite the worst injury record in the league we were still able to finish comfortably ahead of them.

kevo · Tuesday at 2:08 PM

Stato said:
Our optimism about next year feels like its on a far more solid base than theirs. Guehi and Mateta are in the last year of their contracts and Eze and Wharton are being sniffed by a few big beasts. Losing two of those would impact them far more than us losing a couple of our top performers.

I think that last point is key. Even with the injury problems, we've still had a very good season. How often have we looked at a line-up (eg on Sunday) and thought it looked very weak, but we've still got a result? The squad is very flexible and we have players who can step in and do a job when the star names are out. On top of which, a lot of the players we signed last summer (Gruda, Wieffer, Gomez) are now coming good. I really think Palace will struggle next season with the extra fixtures, especially if they lose some key players, and may even be an outside bet for relegation.

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