Brian Munich
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- Jul 7, 2008
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In terms of a conventional business, it would be the target you can realistically hit if everyone performs their best AND if factors beyond your control generally go your way.
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[Albion] Reasons To Be Cheerful - Sort Of!
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Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
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It shouldn't be forgotten that we got off to flyer in 22/23 under Potter. Ten points on the board before RDZ took over. He then took a few games to get his message across and then we were off and running. He did have a decent run with injuries and as you say, a superb midfield.
I feel we have done pretty well this season given the circumstances you describe.
ROSM
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It was said last year that RDZ stretch targets were europa quarter final, English cup semi final and European qualification
I heard that the two latter ones were the same this year.
Publicly top 10 is the target
So, if we take it on your wording, and we finish outside of top 10 would you believe that we have underperformed?
ROSM
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I think looking at it points wise isn't mediocrity.
Ignoring some obvious issues in our performances would be
ROSM
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Thank you. That's what I was saying. In the season where so many of the big six underperformed that is a huge factors out of our control that did go our way. We just didn't capitalise hence my comments that this was a 'what if' season for me.
Justice
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My thoughts are we have under achieved. We have been conceding way to many goals and never really dominated a match for 90 minutes apart from a couple of lower league sides in the cup.
People will have their own thoughts on the manager and that’s fine my own are I don’t think we are going to progress under FH. Most games turn a bit frantic at some point even if we do manage to win I don’t see it improving after a season in charge.
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pigmanovich
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Indeed Muff also lost to Leicester!
Brian Munich
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You think that having, by far, the most number of games missed by players due to injuries is things going our way?
Marshy
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Every set of fans does this though right ?... we all think what if..
pigmanovich
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To wit Forest fans are currently going “what if we hadn’t bottled Champions League qualification” - it’s all relative
ROSM
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Spurs, man utd, chelsea, man city have all underperformed against their own standards for large parts of the season. If they hadn't then Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth wouldn't all be pushing for the 8th place and Nott Forest wouldn't be pushing for champions league
But just for avoidance of doubt for the picky ones out there, there will always be a top 8 and a bottom 3
ROSM
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Probably. But this year it feels more relevant than previously… IMO anyway.
Kit Napper
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- Aug 25, 2024
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I don't think anyone at the club will ignore 'issues in our performances' because they're all determined to improve. Mind you, the same will apply to every other club too, for instance Liverpool will be unhappy at how they performed in the Carabao Final and they'll try to learn from that.
ROSM
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I've never said that i think we should be top 7 every year. Nor have i said i expect that. . I know some get a bit sensitive at any perceived criticism of the team, the manager, the club etc. This isn't complaining or criticism. And we would all do well to fall back on what people have said rather than create a narrative that they haven't said to try and beat them with it.
Interestingly for someone who is keen on detail you didn't answer my question to you earlier which asked if we finish outside of the top 10 would you believe we have underperformed?
Nobby Cybergoat
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I think the opposite to this.
A young manager in his first season in a top league is much more likely to improve his performance than if we'd got someone in who had been around for 10 years.
I do understand the frustrations with Hurzeler. But I think of it as getting the managerial equivalent of a top young playing talent like Baleba or Verbruggen or someone. There's going to be a rough patch at first, but if you keep believing in their promise, ultimately they will quickly improve.
The best example I think is Forest away. I'm happy to call that the worst tactical misjudgement I think i've seen from a manager in my years of supporting. But he realised this, burned the tactics sheet, thought again and we went on a very decent run. This is strong evidence of his desire to improve himself. I've no doubt he will have a very successful managerial career. We might just have to put up with a few more bad days first though
ROSM
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I dont expect the club will.
But I do think there are some on here whose club halo burns so bright that it blinds those of us on the road to Damascus with different opinions.
From a personal perspective, yes it's disappointing that we've had plenty of opportunities to gain more points and I do get the "what if". But equally there have been highs where we've got 3 points or a decent draw from bad positions against opposition we apparently shouldn't be entitled to take points, in the same way that we should be entitled to guaranteed points from inferior opposition. That's the nature of the EPL - an opportunity missed, yes, but also in the big scheme of things, still a successful season.
What I and others have issues with is that it's fine to be disappointed, but some of the nonsense posted on here needs to be called out, because people look through blue tinted spectacles and only see what happens with us and don't look at the bigger picture and things that are perceived to be a BHA specific problem which actually aren't.
FH is the perfect scapegoat - he doesn't fit the stereotypical profile of an EPL Manager, thus he's a very easy target.......
What I and others have issues with is that it's fine to be disappointed, but some of the nonsense posted on here needs to be called out, because people look through blue tinted spectacles and only see what happens with us and don't look at the bigger picture and things that are perceived to be a BHA specific problem which actually aren't.
FH is the perfect scapegoat - he doesn't fit the stereotypical profile of an EPL Manager, thus he's a very easy target.......
ROSM
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What specifically do you see as nonsense? I really believe some people (maybe not you) are annoyed at what they perceive has been said rather than what has been said. I've had some people attribute to me comments that I haven't made for example.