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[Albion] Palace, Brighton, 8th, Europe, Man City - a potentially interesting/horrific/brilliant situation
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Anger
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- Jul 21, 2017
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New owner takes over and sells the stadium land to Screwfix for a Flagship Megastore, leaving them homeless and playing home games in Maidstone for 15 years.
Greeko
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7th if Palace win the Cup
These two quotes nail it for me, it just depends which side I get out of bed.
mlg57
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If we win all our games, we will get European football.
- Sep 3, 2010
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Nope. The way to look at it is that when a club wins a European trophy, they get European football regardless of whether or not they qualified via the domestic league or cups.
So put simply: if Chelsea finish 6th they'll qualify for the Europa league anyway, and it will make no difference to any other club if they win the Conference because that "cup winner" space is not passed to another English club.
The "cup winner" spot is actually an anomaly and an after-thought brought about by the time Liverpool won the UCL but didn't actually qualify via the league for the following season. UEFA saw the absurdity of not allowing the winner to be able to defend their title, so hastily brought this rule in.
- Sep 3, 2010
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That's what I thought until I read this
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...-league-teams-qualify-champions-league-europe. Relevant bit cut and pasted.
What if Chelsea win the Conference League?
This could prove crucial for one Premier League club, as it's Chelsea's performance in the Conference League, coupled with their final league position, which has the greatest chance to benefit another team (more detail on this in a later section.)Chelsea sit in fifth place, three points ahead of seventh-placed Villa.
By rights, the winners of the Conference League get a place in the Europa League. If Chelsea lift the trophy and finish inside the top five, there will be no change to the allocation.
Champions League: 1-5
Europa League: 6, FA Cup winners
Conference League: Newcastle United
If Chelsea win the Conference League and finish sixth, the Premier League gets an extra team in the Europa League, and nine in Europe. Once the EPS is applied, the Europa League place originally for fifth goes to the team in seventh
- Sep 3, 2010
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Also, the UEFA website seems to back this up but the wording needs a bit of clarity. I'm nowhere near 100% sure but it seems to check out.
www.uefa.com
Do Conference League winners get a 2025/26 Europa League spot? | UEFA Conference League
Follow all the latest UEFA Conference League 2024/2025 news from the official UEFA.com site. Includes latest news stories, videos, match reports and much more.
www.uefa.com
Gabbiano
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I read that as the opposite.Also, the UEFA website seems to back this up but the wording needs a bit of clarity. I'm nowhere near 100% sure but it seems to check out.
Do Conference League winners get a 2025/26 Europa League spot? | UEFA Conference League
Follow all the latest UEFA Conference League 2024/2025 news from the official UEFA.com site. Includes latest news stories, videos, match reports and much more.
"What if the winners qualify for the Europa League via domestic competition?
If the Conference League winners qualify for the 2025/26 league phase of the Europa League through its domestic competitions, the vacancy created is filled by the club with the highest individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the main path or play-offs of the Europa League. That club must be either the domestic cup winner or the highest domestically ranked club from its association that has not already qualified for the league phase of the competition directly."
So if the winners finish in a Europa spot in their league, the "winners" spot goes to the team in the qualifiers with the highest coefficient, not to an additional position via the league.
m20gull
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It's bad enough that Palace made the semi-final when we didn't, and then they acted like it was their cup final. The idea of them winning it is unbearable. The idea of them winning it and us scraping in to 8th place and missing out on Europe would be even worse. And worse still if we bottle the rest of the season and finish below them.
City for the Cup!
City for the Cup!
- Sep 3, 2010
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I think it can be read either way. What we can agree on is that it is very badly worded for what is supposed to be the oracle for answers. Either way, hoping Chelsea lose in the league comes naturally to me.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
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Totally agree, that reads as though the spot goes to the highest ranked side from every club that has already qualified for the Europa League, no passed down the next team in domestic league of the winners.
To further back this up when Roma won the inaugural Conference League, they qualified for the Europa League through their domestic league position. Italy didn’t get a third Europa League spot.
Instead the Dutch League, which was the next highest ranked league got a place in the group stage, so Feyenoord automatically qualified for the group stage instead of the play off round (there were other knock ons down the qualifying rounds to even out the numbers in each round).
- Sep 3, 2010
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Good. Glad we've got that sorted.
Madafwo
I'm probably being facetious.
- Nov 11, 2013
- 1,881
Wash your mouth out, son.
Milano
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It does feel a bit 'Champions' League 'top heavy'. 5 places in that but only 2 in UEL and 1 in the UCL?
Coldeanseagull
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Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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And Palace winning the FA Cup won't change any of that. What it will change is that Palace would have won the FA Cup when they currently haven't! One less cheated trophy for City will make no difference.
I spent yesterday afternoon fully cheering on the serial cheats as I'd rely on them more to beat Palace than I would Forest. I'm fully behind team cheat. In fact, if in charge, I'd change the rules to suspend the cup tie rules and let them sign anyone they want, including Palace players in advance of the final. Furthermore, if they were playing Palace, I'd be fully behind a Steve Smith & Ben Johnson Celebrity XI, funded by Bernie Madoff, captained by Diego Maradona and managed by Don Revie, with Lance Armstrong as Team Doctor.
I don't get this 'nothing against Palace' thing that's been creeping in recently. Yes we know that they are, like us, just an unfashionable club supported by people born near them. Yes we know that, had we been unfortunate enough to be born there, we'd probably all be supporting them, but that's logic and football supporting isn't about bloody logic. It's about partiality, factionalism and partisanship. Us against them. Brighton are us and Palace are them. It doesn't matter why the feud started or how stupid it all is, we're the Hatfields and they're the McCoys. Save rationality and fairness for where it should belong: in your real life where things have real consequences. This is football. It only actually matters because we've all agreed to pretend that it matters. If you're willing to commit to that pretence, then commit fully and wish the worst on your team's rival. You're missing out if you don't. It's a huge part of the fun.
In real life, I'm not a vindictive person, but this isn't real life, it's the entertainment I've chosen to get some time away from real life and, within agreed parameters a healthy release of vindictiveness makes me a more balanced person when dealing with things that actually matter. I choose to put a hex on one particular group of fans, because it's all part of the fun. I would hope for nothing less from them if the roles were reversed.
I have nothing against anybody who supports Crystal Palace. I wish them all the success in their life outside of football.
However, I also hope that all of their journeys to Wembley are hampered by transport delay nightmares, that they arrive just in time to see their captain unjustly sent off, that City do to their team twice what they did to Watford a few years back, that the beer is flat and warm, that their manager hands in his notice on or before full time, and that it snows... heavily.
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5Ways Gull
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I there a set of circumstances that means we could be the only Premier league team not to qualify for Europe? It feels like there must be!
If that could happen to any club, we would be that club.