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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Multiple sources are reporting that a limo from Putin's presidential fleet has exploded and caught fire in central Moscow, near the FSB headquarters.
There are no reports of who, or if anyone, was inside it at the time. Also no indication of who was responsible.
There are no reports of who, or if anyone, was inside it at the time. Also no indication of who was responsible.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Well, if even Andrew Neil is catching on…
It’s been described elsewhere as a “colonial” deal, which feels about right to me.
It apparently has a clause that only the US can end the arrangement, essentially making Ukraine a vassal state.
It smacks of a deal that’s been designed to be rejected so that Trump can walk away. Which Ukraine definitely should, they’d be mad to sign it.
- Aug 24, 2020
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More on the limousine explosion in Moscow:
(there are several things in this I didn't know).
(there are several things in this I didn't know).
fly high
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If he can't trust his guards and has them searched then basically he can't trust anyone, even the ones doing the searches.
- Jan 18, 2009
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Without getting bogged down on just steel, plans to replace the current steel producing capability are far from secure.
https://search.app/vXCb2bnNiMDijAwe7
Notwithstanding this precarious position for the future of steel production the U.K. Government are clearly not joining up industrial capacity with our rearmament plans, otherwise they would renationalise British Steel. To allow a national strategic asset to fold (before the electric arcs are installed) makes no sense on any level if we are serious about rearming.
Rearming on the scale we are being told is required, not just here but in Europe, is going to increase industrial capacity in the counties that can sustain it, including steel production. That means without our own industrial strategy we will be entirely at the whim of markets and other nations priorities. That will mean increased cost.
Further, increasing industrial capacity to support ourselves and Ukraine, (or anyone else) can’t happen on any scale until our energy prices are lowered, which is the primary cause for deindustrialising in this country.
https://search.app/cCZAtTUiNhHJajGq8
The simple answer to this problem is “drill baby drill” and re-establish the U.K. as an energy producer and not a recipient (to the whim of markets and other nations priorities). The energy position is simply more proof that this Government, like their predecessors are not seriously joined up on industry and defence.
Pointing this out is not a pro Kremlin stance, the easiest thing on this thread is to be in the Ukraine cheerleading line, I am simply not convinced this Government has the clarity of vision to a) help ourselves or b) Ukraine. If we don’t make these changes we need to step back from the top table……….whatever way we go politicians need to be honest about the options.
- Jan 18, 2009
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I will start the bidding with China, and raise you a…………can you name a major military power that doesn’t produce its own steel?
- Aug 24, 2020
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It paints a very different picture from the calm, confident, statesman he would have the world believe.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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As Andrew Neil says, Zelensky could probably get a better deal from Putin!
Deportivo Seagull
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In summary we need to invest in infrastructure to make us more self reliant. No shit Sherlock.
One would argue that the drive to arm Ukraine (both independently and with the EU) and the investment that needs, would indicate this government does have the clarity of vision to do it. It’s about the implementation but Rome wasn’t built in a day. FWIW, the nadir of the armed forces funding was the austerity budget of 2012.
On the subject of steel. The issue isn’t the technical ability to make high grade steel, like most other western countries we can make high quality steel it’s just very expensive, it’s the raw material that you need. We don’t have them in any quantities which means we need to import. It’s all about the supply chain …
Nothing is a surprise any more....the Hegseths holidaying at Putin's Palace soon
It was a nice surprise for me to read that Germany made this move.
I stopped thinking long ago that it's a US con trick
Would be nice... make them all afraid before the big parade
I find it amusing that Putin has his own washing machine, and gets his personal guard to operate it in case of booby traps
...I can't stop chuckling
We are investing massively in energy. It will take time, but it’s happening.
I see from you're link that we are actually still making steel in the UK. Earlier you said we weren't. And we plan to keep making it using EAF.
Maybe you've seen something I haven't - what scale are you being told is required? Is it not largely personnel, or have you seen something to suggest we need a lot more steel?
I've already explained to you how it doesn't mean increased costs. It's often cheaper to import some products than it is to make them. We are currently making steel, we plan to make steel in the future when the current furnaces stop, and we can import it from plenty of countries anyway.
You're repeating this 'whim of markets and other nations priorities'. The priority of other markets is to export goods, so if we're happy to buy steel, they'll sell it. Now if we were only buying steel from China and no other options were available you might have a point, but that's far from the case.
For that to be true you need to show how we need to significantly increase our industrial production in order increase our military capabilities.
You don't try and post facts on this thread, you only post things which you perceive could be negative to Ukraine, and much of what you post doesn't add up (like the idea that we can't help Ukraine if we import steel). You even joke that we should try and import weapons from Ukraine, despite the fact that we already send weapons to Ukraine.
You do understand that we're already helping Ukraine, right?
I don't know how, but the UK is ranked 6th by GDP, so I guess we are at the top table, but try not to get distracted by this top table nonsense. We don't have to be top table, we just have to support Ukraine and improve our military capabilities, and we can do that.
Good luck with that.
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As you say it's designed to be rejected, so it will be.
The EU and allies need to work together so that the US suffers (from their tariff choices) economically to persuade them to change tack.