NorthstandRacoon
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f*** off. Agree with the bit about snobby left wingers, but still, please f*** off. It’s not an excuse to vote in a criminal who turns his back on his allies and bullies others whilst blaming minorities.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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razer
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I think the fact that it's President is a *unt is pretty indisputable.
I've f***ed him off on behalf of everyone else.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Thank you
NorthstandRacoon
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Thanks. First Yank to get the hook in the history of NSC?
Greenbag50
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China still want/ need cheap Russian oil.
Trump wants to split Russia/China axis.
China wants to keep Russia oil flowing so will want peace to keep this going and is in Xi’s interest to put China boots on ground, as he knows Putin will not agree to NATO/Western troops there to keep peace
chip
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Maybe depends on whether they get the green light on Taiwan or can buy oil from Canada instead.
Thanks. I made it clear (with the dots) that it was edited, but the point stands, because on the one hand you're pointing out that thousands of people are dying, and on the other you're telling people not to get angry about the fact that Trump is making it worse.
You mention Europe funding Russia by buying fossil fuels, which is a sad fact, but it's not something they could quickly stop without people in Europe dying from a lack of heat. The fact that Europe donate less than that cost to Ukraine is completely irrelevant. It's great that Europe is able to donate as much as it has, and plans to significantly increase its support, while Trump withdraws support.
You then try and claim that Trump is bringing the sides together to end this madness, but you're either disingenuous or you're not paying attention. For a start, Trump didn't invite Ukraine to the table to negotiate the deal, he just thought he could do it with Putin. And Trump's claimed aims are completely unachievable, so it's more about putting on a show and pretending he wants peace, than actually getting it.
He said the war wouldn't have started if he was president, which is complete nonsense, just like his claim he could end it in 24 hours was nonsense. But when he's proved wrong he just pretends he was joking.
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Nobby
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Thank you Bozza.
Rdodge30
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That’s not the case with this particular arms funding deal. It is the EU that are putting together the 150billion, the UK has not contributed to it at all.
Macron is widely reported as touting French arms for this deal
The EU leaders have said that if Starmer wants British arms to be included then the UK will have to contribute to the 150 billion fund, the uk have already pledged £3billion a year separately
I think starmer will contribute to the European fund is to get British arms firms included.
Only time will tell which of us is right.
As to the source of all this finance for arms deals, like I said all coming from tax payers whose leaders are breaking their own fiscal rules to fund it:
The Guardian
Officials think the EU can raise €800bn in new defence spending – €150bn from EU-backed loans raised on capital markets and €650bn fiscal flexibilities that allow EU member states to go into debt for defence without breaking the EU’s fiscal rules.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
And you you know absolutely nothing, which is why Trump et al are taking the US apart brick by brick.
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fly high
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I have been thinking for a while that maybe we should bring China into it, would really piss off Trump and Putin so win, win. Just have to be careful.
vegster
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The War could have stopped any time, one person has the power to stop it...that person could have stopped it the moment Trump took an interest. Sadly the fish is rotting from the head down and Witkoff is the latest to have been completely fooled by Putin...Trump could do well to piss off and go play Risk all day at Mar a Lago and leave the real world alone.
Personally I know that 60% of Septics have never left their own shores, uneducated red neck twats.
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Some positive news on the drone front.
'Our manufacturers are in direct contact with the battlefield....they get fast, high-quality feedback'.
'Our manufacturers are in direct contact with the battlefield....they get fast, high-quality feedback'.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Now that is a big call and leaves Orban in the wilderness. Hungary needs the EU more than the EU needs Hungary
GoldstoneVintage
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I don't think Witless or any of the Trump team have been fooled by Putin. They fully understand the parts they need to play in this pantomime.