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Gwylan

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State pensions, paid for by a specific tax (NI) and paid out on the basis of what one has paid in is not a benefit.

Winter fuel payments is not an 'example' of a means tested pension. It is a means tested benefit.

State pension is not a benefit.
As mentioned earlier, state pension has been defined as a benefit since 1946 - that's in your entire lifetime :lolol:
 






Thunder Bolt

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A poverty refers to when a person or household does not have the minimum amount of income needed to meet the minimum living requirements needed over an extended period of time. In other words, they cannot meet their basic needs.
 


TomandJerry

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Millions of litres of raw sewage were illegally pumped into one of England's most famous lakes after a fault, documents seen by the BBC have revealed.

United Utilities failed to stop the illegal pollution of Windermere, in the Lake District, for 10 hours in February and did not report the incident to the Environment Agency until 13 hours after it started.

An almost identical incident occurred at the same location in 2022.
 


Hugo Rune

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Millions of litres of raw sewage were illegally pumped into one of England's most famous lakes after a fault, documents seen by the BBC have revealed.

United Utilities failed to stop the illegal pollution of Windermere, in the Lake District, for 10 hours in February and did not report the incident to the Environment Agency until 13 hours after it started.

An almost identical incident occurred at the same location in 2022.
The good news is that share holders of United Utilities needn’t worry about losing dividends or their company losing the contract. Rishi and chums have their backs.
 




Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
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Meanwhile we are seeing young lecturers, even senior lecturers leave academia for other work. Unheard of in the past because even though the salary ain't all that great to begin with, academic freedom coupled with a big pension at the end of the rainbow made the job very attractive. Now, starting salary remains low, the pension is degraded, and academic freedom has been replaced by insane amounts of form filling. I have to review all the courses I run shortly, using a proforma that makes me address questions no bugger in their right mind would ever ask, plus submit to appraisal which remains pointless but which now involves pages of form filling. Right in the middle of exam paper marking.

As a current PhD student I'm involved enough in the department to see how it works, but with enough distance to critically reflect on whether it's worth continuing with after I graduate.

My current answer is a resounding no. I see junior lecturers with excessive teaching loads, endless bureaucracy, faculty infighting and poor organisation, not to mention the expectation that you're meant to be publishing constantly at that stage of your career to simply keep your job. Sending out emails on a Saturday at 1am regularly, and funding calls are no picnic either.

Then you have the resentment of the undergrads who seem to think they're entitled to a degree because they paid tuition, and there's more and more of them but no extra staff because the universities are desperate for money even at prestigious unis. Assessment takes forever and then as you say the cheating has got more complex and AI will only continue to worsen that (though maybe the true skill we should be training is how to use AI properly).

All this for a starter salary in probably the high 30k range? Or even more likely, precarious short term contracts? "The passion for the work" doesn't make that worthwhile, no matter how much the cult of academia insists upon it.

Not that there are even enough jobs to go around.
 
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chickens

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It’s incredible. Outright lie after outright lie, endlessly gaslighting the British public and hoping nobody checks up on them.

All of our media should be leaping all over this regardless of their general political allegiance. A British Prime Minister is standing up on a podium and lying to the public. Outright, indefensible lying.
 


abc

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As much as I really, really hate the current Tory government and the vast majority of their policies, I'd actually be in favour of a well-designed system for means testing recipients of any form of payments from the government.

IMO means testing is actually a policy that would benefit the left. Stop, or reduce, funding going to those who don't need it so that the funding available can go further in supporting those who do need it. It's not about equality ... it's about equity. And, I believe, ensuring those who are less well off (especially as they reach retirement age) are better supported will help ease pressure elsewhere: for example, poverty generally correlates with worse health and worse health correlates with increased pressure on the NHS.

The problem with means testing isn't the concept in itself. The problem is designing a system of means testing that works and has the fewest loopholes possible. I wouldn't trust the current Tory party to even get close to doing that.

Good post. There are too many people who get more benefits than they need or is fair and there are too many that get less than they need. Working in the social care sector I am quite vexed by this.
There is a strong case for looking how benefits are distributed rather than one for reducing the total benefit budget.
 




BrianB

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Nov 14, 2020
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Lib Dem Mid Sussex put through my door yesterday , it does look like they and Labour are finding ways to help each other , obviously depending how true the statement is 😏.
 

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Peteinblack

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Lib Dem Mid Sussex put through my door yesterday , it does look like they and Labour are finding ways to help each other , obviously depending how true the statement is 😏.
Apparently, there are dozens of seats (many in southern England) where Labour and the Lib Dems are unofficially agreeing not to campaign energetically against each other if only one of them has a realistic chance of defeating the Tories. In my constituency of Bath, Labour has no chance of winning, so would-be Labour voters are quietly encouraged to vote Lib Dem to defeat the Tory candidate.

There are also now a number of online 'vote-swapping' sites, where, say, a Labour supporter in a constituency agrees to vote Lib Dem (if the Lib Dems have the best chance of defeating the Tory candidate), in return for a would-be Lib Dem voter in another constituency voting Labour. Obviously considerable trust is involved!

Needless to say, the Tories are complaining about 'dirty tricks' - something they are world-leading experts in!
 
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rippleman

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Apparently, there are dozens of seats (many in southern England) where Labour and the Lib Dems are unofficially agreeing not to campaign energetically against each other if only one of them has a realistic chance of defeating the Tories. In my constituency of Bath, Labour has no chance of winning, so would-be Labour voters are quietly encouraged to vote Lib Dem to defeat the Tory candidate.

There are also now a number of online 'vote-swapping' sites, where, say, a Labour supporter in a constituency agrees to vote Lib Dem (if the Lib Dems have the best chance of defeating the Tory candidate), in return for a would-be Lib Dem voter in another constituency voting Labour. Obviously considerable trust is involved!

Needless to say, the Tories are complaining about 'dirty tricks' - something they are world-leading experts in!
This is good news. At last some grown-ups in the room. Absolute sense not to split the anti-Tory vote.

I like the idea of voters "pairing" although I have my doubts how effective that is likely to be on a practical level. Worth a try though. Whatever needs to be done to consign these nasty Tory shisters to oblivion.
 




virtual22

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Nov 30, 2010
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Benefit or not, being forced to pay tax on something that was taken from you as a tax in the first place is f***ing obscene.
Same happens with Petrol. You actually pay VAT not just on the petrol you put in the car, but on the fuel duty for that petrol. Double taxation at it's finest.
 


Eric the meek

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Same happens with Petrol. You actually pay VAT not just on the petrol you put in the car, but on the fuel duty for that petrol. Double taxation at it's finest.
..and for many people, petrol is paid for out of their taxable income, so the money they spend on petrol has already been taxed through PAYE. That's triple taxation.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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As a current PhD student I'm involved enough in the department to see how it works, but with enough distance to critically reflect on whether it's worth continuing with after I graduate.

My current answer is a resounding no. I see junior lecturers with excessive teaching loads, endless bureaucracy, faculty infighting and poor organisation, not to mention the expectation that you're meant to be publishing constantly at that stage of your career to simply keep your job. Sending out emails on a Saturday at 1am regularly, and funding calls are no picnic either.

Then you have the resentment of the undergrads who seem to think they're entitled to a degree because they paid tuition, and there's more and more of them but no extra staff because the universities are desperate for money even at prestigious unis. Assessment takes forever and then as you say the cheating has got more complex and AI will only continue to worsen that (though maybe the true skill we should be training is how to use AI properly).

All this for a starter salary in probably the high 30k range? Or even more likely, precarious short term contracts? "The passion for the work" doesn't make that worthwhile, no matter how much the cult of academia insists upon it.

Not that there are even enough jobs to go around.
Yes, I can't disagree with that.

What I would say to anyone interested in doing research is: crack on. Most of the 'noise' in academia is by-passable. And there are all sorts of opportunities to consult, edit a journal, etc, to bolster income.

Yes, the landscape is disappointing, but the one constant I have seen over 40 years is the poor quality of most people involved, meaning that they probably get what they deserve. This includes PhD students who slip into a comfy routine then pop out the other end without a clue what to do next.

I am in a committee meeting right now. You have never heard such a load of old bollocks. I said my bit then switch the mic and camera off...

And good luck!
 




Peteinblack

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..and for many people, petrol is paid for out of their taxable income, so the money they spend on petrol has already been taxed through PAYE. That's triple taxation.
VAT is also a 'regressive' tax, because it takes more of a poor person's income - a £100 VAT bill is 'nothing' to Richard Branson, but a lot if you're a pensioner.
 


Since1982

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Sep 30, 2006
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Lib Dem Mid Sussex put through my door yesterday , it does look like they and Labour are finding ways to help each other , obviously depending how true the statement is 😏.
I'm staggered at the level of support that Labour are claiming to have in Mid Sussex - at the last DC elections they polled 7% - but if true a very good chance the anti Tory vote will split and allow the appalling Kristy Adams in.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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As mentioned earlier, state pension has been defined as a benefit since 1946 - that's in your entire lifetime :lolol:
Well I could define myself as the master of sarcasm and wit......but..... (you can guess the rest).
 






Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
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Yes, I can't disagree with that.

What I would say to anyone interested in doing research is: crack on. Most of the 'noise' in academia is by-passable. And there are all sorts of opportunities to consult, edit a journal, etc, to bolster income.

Yes, the landscape is disappointing, but the one constant I have seen over 40 years is the poor quality of most people involved, meaning that they probably get what they deserve. This includes PhD students who slip into a comfy routine then pop out the other end without a clue what to do next.

I am in a committee meeting right now. You have never heard such a load of old bollocks. I said my bit then switch the mic and camera off...

And good luck!

Thank you! I think to be honest my opinions on the world of academia fluctuate a lot but having worked in industry for several years before maybe I see both sides of the coin more clearly than some of the other PhD students, and it probably makes me more cynical when I look at the potential job at the end of it.

I guess all you can do is make the most of the situation you're in, and academia does grant a lot of interesting opportunities as well as the chance to actually work on your interests/passions. But it certainly comes with a lot of baggage and expectation.
 




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