[News] Gideon Falter

Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Not seen the footage. Not sure I fancy it. What is the gist of it? For me any peace protest with people waving swastikas is krunk as far as I'm concerned.

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Brian Fantana said:

The fact that someone of any religion (or none) doesn't feel safe walking the streets of London is very worrying and very sad in equal measure, IMO.

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Brian Fantana said:

The fact that someone of any religion (or none) doesn't feel safe walking the streets of London is very worrying and very sad in equal measure, IMO.

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Guinness Boy said:

I don’t think that was the point of the OP.

One of my daughter’s best friends is Jewish and the large extended family have taken her as one of their own. They are beautiful people. Not one of who would suddenly decide to take a walk in the direction of a well advertised march that might contain an anti-Semite or two and several charged up coppers.

If I’ve misunderstood @afters post then apologies, but to me he’s the one making the most sense on this thread.

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Guinness Boy said:

I don’t think that was the point of the OP.

One of my daughter’s best friends is Jewish and the large extended family have taken her as one of their own. They are beautiful people. Not one of who would suddenly decide to take a walk in the direction of a well advertised march that might contain an anti-Semite or two and several charged up coppers.

If I’ve misunderstood @afters post then apologies, but to me he’s the one making the most sense on this thread.

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afters said:

Thank you, the only point I'm making here is that this is not a jewish man walking cross the street. It took my 15year old to google this early Sunday on the way to football. Maybe a better headline would be "Jewish activist confronts march and unfortunate copper gets tongue-tied"

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METALMICKY said:

This! Should have waived him through

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

I have had a quick look at the news feeds and haven't seen any grandstanding yet. Who has been at it already?

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Mate, I'm lost now. I'll have re-read later. I thought I had a bit of an idea what was going on, but possibly not. And not for the first time.

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clapham_gull said:

In the internet and mobile video world, gotchas are quite easy to obtain.

I posted a few days ago but I was subject to an exchange with some pro Palestinian protestors the other day, who actually approached me to sign a petition.

The exchange was pretty vile and all I questioned was their language had how it might negatively effect their worthwhile humanitarian argument.

IF (and of course I wouldn't), I had recorded the exchange and posted it on Twitter, the other person would be thinking about their job and I've been instantly followed by Lawrence Fox.

Everything now is nuanced. The copper should be subject to a disciplinary, as for the person the exchange did feel pre-planned. Who knows.

At best, they were trying to highlight the fact that outwardly expressions of being Jewish can be effectively a danger to yourself if you walk through a protest in Central London. It's there, I've seen it.

Entrenched positions, beyond reconciliation.

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Wardy's twin said:

Not sure if the policeman is in he wrong IF he is giving what might be legitimate advise i.e. wearing clothes that indicate you are Jewish might not be clever if approaching a group of pro Palestinian protesters.. same way had he said to me don't wear that Brighton shirt anywhere near the den. The wrong is perhaps the fact he would be unsafe. Maybe I am missing something.

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GT49er said:

Why? So he might be assaulted by people who are outraged at what Israel (a Jewish state actually, even if it doesn't represent the views of all Jews) is doing in Gaza. That would be alright, because he represented 'one of the bad guys' would it? Or tell him to go round another way, and save the risk of an unpleasant incident?

Hasn't a phrase something like 'victim signalling' entered the vocabulary of late..............

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Thunder Bolt said:

Suella Braverman is screeching for the resignation of the police commissioner. This in turn is feeding the narrative of no go areas in London to attack Sadiq Khan.

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clapham_gull said:

This is London and not Nazi Germany basically.

The optics of "outwardly Jewish" are off the scale. As of the optics of a Police Officer from a few weeks back trying to convince a complainant that there was nuance is the display of a swastika.

At least he needs to be removed from duty for a while.

But this is the MET, they are appalling.

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Guinness Boy said:

99% of people at football are there peacefully too.

At Palace the Met treat us all like we’re about to break cordon and go on the rampage. Pretty much everyone just wants to get a train or to their car.

And they LOVE it. Paid hooligans with numbers hidden for the most.

The Italians were the same. All but set the dogs on us before, dumped near Termini after. Loved their shields and batons and searching you 4 times.

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Comrade Sam said:

I am so bored of this right wing bullshit about the dangers of being Jewish in London, those that push this line are not only using it for their own political ends, but they are creating massive fear and hysteria in the Jewish community.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Suella Braverman is screeching for the resignation of the police commissioner. This in turn is feeding the narrative of no go areas in London to attack Sadiq Khan.

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clapham_gull said:

This is London and not Nazi Germany basically.

The optics of "outwardly Jewish" are off the scale. As of the optics of a Police Officer from a few weeks back trying to convince a complainant that there was nuance is the display of a swastika.

At least he needs to be removed from duty for a while.

But this is the MET, they are appalling.

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afters said:

I really disagree. This was not a "man crossing the road" it was an antagonist. And he was antagosing.

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Wardy's twin said:

Mmm. The policeman noticed he wore an item associated with the Jewish faith...now it's quite possible he is not Jewish e.g. lots of people wear Christian crosses who aren't Christians but the policeman identified him as Jewish and felt it necessary to alert him to a potential threat. So clumsy, definitely, off the scale.. no.

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Arkwright said:

To be honest most police officers I know really don't want to be at games and like you just want to get home at the end of a shift.
I'm sure most would rather be on the beat as opposed to being at protests or football. With so much scrutiny and anti police attitudes what chance do they have. I can see why recruitment is so hard, who would want to do the job, your on a hiding to nothing from day one.

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