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[Politics] Worst PM since Thatcher
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Baldseagull
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Brown sold off half of UK gold reserves, the issue was announcing that he was selling off a chunk, which sent already low gold prices further downwards, and returned a lower price. It was how much of it and when he did it that was "sub optimal". To make a fair comparison though, you would have to assess the return on assets acquired with the cash from selling gold, to the value of the gold today. I have no idea if it was or will turn out to be a good or bad decision, the timing with regard to selling the gold could have been better, but maybe the time was right to buy the alternative assets.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,326
definately true, though much overstated. the pensions raid was a far bigger impact, billions every year taken from our pensions to the treasury. people dont know or understand so dont bring it up. i recall it was £5bn a year at first and worth over £10bn a year now. encouraging PPP is bigger issue too, leading to a lot of the funding problems in health and education budgets, though i expect the Tories would have gone ahead with that anyway.
Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
- 834
May or Johnson, but Blair would be up there, people forget the disastrous War on Terror and how much of a poodle he was for Bush.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,174
Wonder how many on here lambasting PMs also voted for their party?
Sure its a hard job but you´re not fooling me that competence is key to a successful career in politics
Truss is the worst.
Boris and DC did the most damage.
Sunak is the best in that he’ll see them out power for many a year.
Boris and DC did the most damage.
Sunak is the best in that he’ll see them out power for many a year.
stewart12
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- Jan 16, 2019
- 1,603
well I've had the misfortune of my formative years being from 2010ish onwards so I can only really focus on the last 5 but:
Cameron- held an unnecessary referendum that completely destabilised the country to save his own skin. Oversaw taking a machete to our public services
May- completely out of her depth and a charisma vacuum but at the very least you got the impression she wasn't doing most things in self interest, just wasn't cut out for that level of a job whatsoever. Was dealt a crap hand though with inheriting the Brexit mess
Johnson- completely self serving and a repulsive human being. Was PM at a time when we needed someone detailed and meticulous which he was the opposite of.
Truss- absolutely batshit mental and seems to be incapable of any form of self reflection but at least it was short
Sunak- the writing was on the wall when he was appointed so was on a bit of a hiding to nothing but he also lacks any sort of charm or charisma and seems incapable of imagining a life that isn't his own. Does a very annoying thing in trying to convince us that everything is great with a stupid grin on his face when for the vast majority of us, it aint
Cameron- held an unnecessary referendum that completely destabilised the country to save his own skin. Oversaw taking a machete to our public services
May- completely out of her depth and a charisma vacuum but at the very least you got the impression she wasn't doing most things in self interest, just wasn't cut out for that level of a job whatsoever. Was dealt a crap hand though with inheriting the Brexit mess
Johnson- completely self serving and a repulsive human being. Was PM at a time when we needed someone detailed and meticulous which he was the opposite of.
Truss- absolutely batshit mental and seems to be incapable of any form of self reflection but at least it was short
Sunak- the writing was on the wall when he was appointed so was on a bit of a hiding to nothing but he also lacks any sort of charm or charisma and seems incapable of imagining a life that isn't his own. Does a very annoying thing in trying to convince us that everything is great with a stupid grin on his face when for the vast majority of us, it aint
Good god - you do come across as a sanctimonious old bore. When will you let Brexit not affect your posts ? And to remind you yet AGAIN ( because you don't seem to understand how the UK electoral system works, despite me explaining it to you numerous times ) - you don't vote for a government - you vote for the person to represent you as an MP. So in 2010 I vote for the Tory candidate - who didn't get in. I've never, and could have never, voted for Truss ( either practically nor morally ) - but then Truss was voted in by a handful of Tories - I'd suggest many being well to do old people that live in well off areas such as Westdene and Withdean - exactly where you live. But of course, you are so rich you managed to move all your investments abroad - a very Tory and @Steve Foster attitude. NOBODY except Tory party members voted for Truss.Nice Idea, shame you've come to that conclusion nearly 5 years too late, but you knew what you were doing. As someone once said
And on the bright side, at least you got what you wanted
I think 'hard job' is a massive understatement. There is no way in hell I would want to be anywhere near that job for the money they earn. Even a normal MP. f*** that.
dejavuatbtn
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Yep, I vote “all of the “above”Where's the option for 'It's a stupid poll'?
There's too much to take into consideration to put one vote, multiple votes should have been allowed!
- Jul 10, 2003
- 25,897
It has nothing to do with Brexit
You are on here ranting about what you would do should a tory candidate dare to knock on your door as a result of what the party have done since 2019 (despite the fact that AFAIK the Hove prospective parliamentary candidate, who would do the knocking and be the person you actually vote for, hasn't been announced yet). That was the election at which you told us all how you were voting for the Conservative party candidate and that party got a huge majority. The exact same party you are now ranting about
That's all, and I'll leave it there.
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Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
- 834
Corbyn would’
Sunak is so insignificant, he’s a gift to Labour. He will be a distant memory in the coming decades. A mega rich city boy that got a job he should never have got.
If we're looking at damage done per day in office, then there's only one winner.
However, Truss was such a flash in the pan that history will view her as an irrelevance, or at best as an interesting statistical quirk given how pathetically short her premiership was. A lot of people are (understandably) voting for her due to the direct financial impact she had (and is still having) on them through higher mortgage rates. The truth is that at least some of that increase would have come anyway, yet that awful mini-budget gets the blame for the whole hike. The problems she caused will be mostly ironed out in the medium term, so her long-term negative effect on the country will be relatively small IMO. That said, she was entirely unsuitable for the job and I can't think of a good thing to say about her time in office (and even less since).
For me, it's Johnson.
The damage he has done to the whole institution of government will be long-lasting, both from the perspective of those working within it and the public's perception of it. All done with a smirk at the behest of his financial backers so he can enjoy the life of luxury he feels entitled to, yet is incapable of achieving through legitimate means.
The lies and obfuscation were off the scale, blatant and came with no apparent shame. It's all just a game to him and he just doesn't care what he destroys to get what he wants. A weak, yet dangerous man.
However, Truss was such a flash in the pan that history will view her as an irrelevance, or at best as an interesting statistical quirk given how pathetically short her premiership was. A lot of people are (understandably) voting for her due to the direct financial impact she had (and is still having) on them through higher mortgage rates. The truth is that at least some of that increase would have come anyway, yet that awful mini-budget gets the blame for the whole hike. The problems she caused will be mostly ironed out in the medium term, so her long-term negative effect on the country will be relatively small IMO. That said, she was entirely unsuitable for the job and I can't think of a good thing to say about her time in office (and even less since).
For me, it's Johnson.
The damage he has done to the whole institution of government will be long-lasting, both from the perspective of those working within it and the public's perception of it. All done with a smirk at the behest of his financial backers so he can enjoy the life of luxury he feels entitled to, yet is incapable of achieving through legitimate means.
The lies and obfuscation were off the scale, blatant and came with no apparent shame. It's all just a game to him and he just doesn't care what he destroys to get what he wants. A weak, yet dangerous man.
Cameron was the entitled Etonian who introduced damaging levels of austerity and completely mismanaged the Referendum, thereby creating the opportunity for narcissists and grifters including Truss and Johnson to rise through the ranks. He is ultimately responsible for the awful state we are in now.....
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,326
which is ironic when she isnt actually responsible for that. interest rates were already rising in reaction to inflation at 10% by the time she took office. the impact the Truss-Kwarteng budget was on bond market and Sterling. however it was such a large, sudden impact the BoE intervened, she was booted out and things corrected themselves within weeks. inflation and interest rates continued to track world markets, as they do today.
i picked Truss as worst to start, the thread has highlighted the title really goes to Boris who has a much longer list of failures with deeper effects.
5Ways Gull
È quello che è
I voted Johnson. Cos he's a c##t.
pocketseagull
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- Dec 29, 2014
- 1,065
Has to be Johnson, not only for his time as PM but for what he did to the country all in the name of vanity. Absolute c***.
On the other hand he's led to the tories facing ruin at the next election.
On the other hand he's led to the tories facing ruin at the next election.
Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
- 8,722
Good point well made