[News] Government smoking ban.

Leekbrookgull

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #1

Probably like many NSC users and millions UK wide myself and indoors along with family all members of the non smoking fraternity, and the obvious health question was put to bed years ago. However from a libertarian POV what is next de-caf tea and coffee, individual alcohol quota's just where do you draw the line ?

 

Chicken Run

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #2

Leekbrookgull said:

Probably like many NSC users and millions UK wide myself and indoors along with family all members of the non smoking fraternity, and the obvious health question was put to bed years ago. However from a libertarian POV what is next de-caf tea and coffee, individual alcohol quota's just where do you draw the line ?

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I’d ban the sale of alcohol from shops, only pubs, bars and restaurants.

 

GOM

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #3

For clarity this was voted for by all parties and Labour have said they will implement it when in power. So this is not a party political question.

 

BBassic

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #4

In 2021 smoking was estimated to be costing the NHS £2.5 billion.

Two and a half billion pounds.

The ban is a good thing.

As an aside I wonder if people like Liz "The Lettuce" Truss would be crying "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR FREEEEEEDOMS!?!" if the subject were legalisation of cannabis.

 

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #5

not really a smoking ban though. it's an incrementing age limit on buying product. having seen the effects of 16/18 yo limits on those under the age taking up the habit, we can be sure it will have dubious effect.
enforecement will be interesting. current age cards will be ineffective, will we see a call for ID card renewed yearly for easy proof of age?

 

Javeaseagull

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• Apr 17, 2024

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Can’t help thinking that this is electioneering gubbins. Prohibition has never worked, how long have drugs been illegal? It is already illegal for under 18s to vape yet over 100,00 every year try it out. It will make the black market bigger so someone will get rich.

 

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #7

Really not sure what the point is. Most young people don't smoke - they vape. It's cheaper, less dangerous and prevalent in their peer group.

That said, if Lettuce Liz is against it then I'm all for it.

 

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #8

Leekbrookgull said:

Probably like many NSC users and millions UK wide myself and indoors along with family all members of the non smoking fraternity, and the obvious health question was put to bed years ago. However from a libertarian POV what is next de-caf tea and coffee, individual alcohol quota's just where do you draw the line ?

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With tobacco smoking.

 

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Javeaseagull said:

Can’t help thinking that this is electioneering gubbins. Prohibition has never worked, how long have drugs been illegal? It is already illegal for under 18s to vape yet over 100,00 every year try it out. It will make the black market bigger so someone will get rich.

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It isn't. Labour supports it. The only people to 'win' electorally from this, if there is a backlash, is Farage and chums.

I'd love to point the finger at Sunk for electioneering, but on this occasion....

 

Tim Over Whelmed

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #10

I think we should ban, banning. Does that mean I get banned?

 

Cowfold Seagull

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #11

Disgusting habit, ban it.

 

Bozza

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #12

BBassic said:

In 2021 smoking was estimated to be costing the NHS £2.5 billion.

Two and a half billion pounds.

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In 2023-24 it is estimated that tobacco duties will raise £10.4 billion in tax according to the Office for Budget Responsibility.

Sounds like smokers are more than doing their bit.

(I'm in favour of the ban BTW)

 

Westdene Seagull

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #13

Banning something has never worked ..... ever. It just drives the product / service underground and creates a black market and ergo more crime. I've never smoked but I believe in the right of people that choose to do so. Stupid idea banning it.

 

Marshy

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #14

Delighted this has been passed.

 

Cowfold Seagull

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #15

Tim Over Whelmed said:

I think we should ban, banning. Does that mean I get banned?

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Yep. Goodbye!

 

MJsGhost

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• Apr 17, 2024

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Javeaseagull said:

Can’t help thinking that this is electioneering gubbins. Prohibition has never worked, how long have drugs been illegal? It is already illegal for under 18s to vape yet over 100,00 every year try it out. It will make the black market bigger so someone will get rich.

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Some people still break speed limits, so should we just do away with any legal restriction on speed?

 

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #17

BBassic said:

In 2021 smoking was estimated to be costing the NHS £2.5 billion.

Two and a half billion pounds.

The ban is a good thing.

As an aside I wonder if people like Liz "The Lettuce" Truss would be crying "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR FREEEEEEDOMS!?!" if the subject were legalisation of cannabis.

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She supported legalization of cannabis once. When she was a Liberal. There is a youtube video of it.

 

Paulie Gualtieri

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #18

BBassic said:

In 2021 smoking was estimated to be costing the NHS £2.5 billion.

Two and a half billion pounds.

The ban is a good thing.

As an aside I wonder if people like Liz "The Lettuce" Truss would be crying "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR FREEEEEEDOMS!?!" if the subject were legalisation of cannabis.

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Depends on the Lobby I guess.

Surprised the IEA hasn’t relocated to Tobacco Dock

 

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #19

Chicken Run said:

I’d ban the sale of alcohol from shops, only pubs, bars and restaurants.

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Blimey, are you on a wind-up?
Would you allow off sales from the pubs , bars and restaurants?

 

stewart12

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• Apr 17, 2024

• #20

the thing is smoking is in decline anyway and especially in young people. I do feel like it was heading towards naturally being phased out (the indoor smoking ban and raising the minimum age from 16 to 18 both big factors in this)

I would like to see a proper study into the long term of effects of what teenagers are doing instead and that is absolutely chaining their way through vapes- using them at a rate that you wouldn't even vaguely consider with normal cigarettes