[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

lasvegan said:

I am truly dumbfounded by your post. Do I need really need to explain to you what an opinion piece is? Yes I do…it’s about presenting one side of the debate (my side in this case) as opposed to the other. If you enjoy debating yourself, be my guest. You may even win one or two…

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lasvegan said:

This thread is about 95% of presenting one side of the debate (yours), so if you are genuinely interested in opposing opinions then I suggest you read them (I do) and even welcome them instead of just blowing them off. But it seems you are more interested in regulating (banning) opinions that you don’t agree with.

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Triggaaar said:

Insults - excellent.




I'm interested in the truth and if people post biased lies against Trump I'm not interested in them, just as I'm not interested in biased lies supporting Trump and against Biden. I don't think the opinion piece you gave adds anything useful to the debate. I haven't asked for it to be removed or banned, so I'm not sure what your point is there.

From your posts here I don't get the impression that you are interesting in understanding different opinions, it just seems that your intention is to preach your side.

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Zeberdi said:

I do realise the Trump was only at Fulton jail to be processed for the election interference charges and not actually incarcerated - it was a joke to suggest he had served jail time which most people would have found funny or at least mildly amusing in reference all his convictions and indictments in response to your post that said ‘when he left Fulton jail’.

As far as ’popularism’ is concerned - it says as much about the gullibility and selfishness of the ‘people’ being manipulated into believing the ‘popularist‘ candidate has come to ‘save them from the establishment‘ as it does about the demagogues that use such political tools to win over an electorate - usually to get into/retain power to satisfy their own thirst for power for powers sake.

To paraphrase Karl Marx - Popularism is the opium of the masses.

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Bodian said:

But if he's innocent of all he's accused of, he won't get convicted of anything.

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Bodian said:

So, simple question for you - please explain why it is better for him to spend all these many millions ('draining his funds'), prolonging everything as much as possible ('taking up his time') - when the simple way to have avoided both would have been to get the court cases over with cheaply and quickly - and get acquitted of everything?

Looking forward to your reply.

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One Love said:

If you think he's running for any other reason than for himself then you are naive.

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Crawley Dingo said:

Debatable, Smiths trying to get the document cases shifted to a more Democrat area from a Republican one (As an aside this is what the Klan used to do to get their people of the hook and theirs a law against it that could find Smith on the receiving end.)

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Crawley Dingo said:

See my answer above.

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Crawley Dingo said:

Maybe naïve, i don't think he took a wage first time around. He is the only president in 50 years to lose money. he's to old to be some kind of dictator and he hasn't even been accused of rigging laws to help his businesses while in the WH.

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schmunk said:

He got the US government and foreign officials to spend all of that money at his country club and golf courses and STILL lost money...? He really isn't a very good businessman, is he?

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Bodian said:

Do you have a link to this please? I cannot find any reference to this anywhere - hopefully you can provide something?

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Judge in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case sets May 20 as the start date for Trump’s trial

The date falls in the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign. A grand jury is currently investigating the former president for his role in the attack on the Capitol, which could lead to a third indictment

english.elpais.com

Crawley Dingo said:

I can find little without wading through hours of stuff. i remember reading that Smith wanted the Trial in Washington as it concerned national security papers but the Trial has been set for Fort Peirce in Florida by the judge, not giving a reason why.

Judge in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case sets May 20 as the start date for Trump’s trial

The date falls in the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign. A grand jury is currently investigating the former president for his role in the attack on the Capitol, which could lead to a third indictment

english.elpais.com

TBH if the Muller Inquiry didn't give you pause for thought then nothing else will. As I've stated before, I'm not spending hours jumping through hoops for people who are acting in bad faith(Which yours is towards Trump ), rude underhand and disingenuous . been 20 minutes looking through all these links. If I come across it i'll post and tag you other than that have a happy Easter.

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One Love said:

If you think he's running for any other reason than for himself then you are naive.

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Crawley Dingo said:

I can find little without wading through hours of stuff. i remember reading that Smith wanted the Trial in Washington as it concerned national security papers but the Trial has been set for Fort Peirce in Florida by the judge, not giving a reason why.

Judge in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case sets May 20 as the start date for Trump’s trial

The date falls in the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign. A grand jury is currently investigating the former president for his role in the attack on the Capitol, which could lead to a third indictment

english.elpais.com

TBH if the Muller Inquiry didn't give you pause for thought then nothing else will. As I've stated before, I'm not spending hours jumping through hoops for people who are acting in bad faith(Which yours is towards Trump ), rude underhand and disingenuous . been 20 minutes looking through all these links. If I come across it i'll post and tag you other than that have a happy Easter.

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Crawley Dingo said:

I can find little without wading through hours of stuff. i remember reading that Smith wanted the Trial in Washington as it concerned national security papers but the Trial has been set for Fort Peirce in Florida by the judge, not giving a reason why.

Judge in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case sets May 20 as the start date for Trump’s trial

The date falls in the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign. A grand jury is currently investigating the former president for his role in the attack on the Capitol, which could lead to a third indictment

english.elpais.com

TBH if the Muller Inquiry didn't give you pause for thought then nothing else will. As I've stated before, I'm not spending hours jumping through hoops for people who are acting in bad faith(Which yours is towards Trump ), rude underhand and disingenuous . been 20 minutes looking through all these links. If I come across it i'll post and tag you other than that have a happy Easter.

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Bodian said:

Goodness me.

Please point out where I have been at all rude to you. Or underhand, or disingenuous.

I have been perfectly polite throughout all my exchanges with you.

As to this particular issue. You made the statement that "Smiths trying to get the document cases shifted to a more Democrat area from a Republican one" (note the current tense, not the past tense). I have asked you where this was said, as I couldn't find anything about it. You now say cannot find anything that says this either even after 20 minutes of looking through links. You have then posted a link to an article from July 2023 (note the past tense, not the current tense) - presumably inferring that it backs up your statement. But even in that article, which I have now read, I cannot see anything in it that says Smith was trying to move the trial location. Can you highlight/quote the relevant paragraph for me please.

You now say you "remember reading that Smith wanted the Trial in Washington as it concerned national security papers but the Trial has been set for Fort Peirce in Florida by the judge, not giving a reason why." Firstly - that is not Smith trying to 'move the trial at all - it was him asking initially for the trial to be in Washington (and he gave a reason for that request) - if true of course, as you haven't provided any evidence to say that he actually did this. Secondly, you say the trial has been set in Florida by the judge, but 'not giving a reason why'. Yet the article you link to states that it is because it the state where Trump resides.

So, given that I have simply asked you to back up your statement, and you have said you can't - but have posted a link to an article that doesn't say what you imply it says, and contradicts another of your statements - I am surprised by your nerve and gall in describing me as being the one who is 'underhand and disingenuous'.

I note you have not attempted to address the other question.

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Triggaaar said:

Insults - excellent.




I'm interested in the truth and if people post biased lies against Trump I'm not interested in them, just as I'm not interested in biased lies supporting Trump and against Biden. I don't think the opinion piece you gave adds anything useful to the debate. I haven't asked for it to be removed or banned, so I'm not sure what your point is there.

From your posts here I don't get the impression that you are interesting in understanding different opinions, it just seems that your intention is to preach your side.

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Crawley Dingo said:

Fulton bit, Dont know what your on about it doesn't relate to what I posted.

Populist bit, even if true you need to explain why all these populist movements arrived globally in a decade or so turning systems on their head, Brexit, Trump, 5 Star etc. Did all these grifters get lucky at the same time?

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• 9/11 - The global war on terror (9 post-9/11 wars) by the US and allies, has directly resulted in mass population displacements (possibly up to 59 million) and created up to 12 million global cross border refugees between 2011-2019. Those figures only include areas that the US/allied forces have directly been fighting in as the war on terror but there have been other conflicts too that have arisen as a knock on effect such as those caused by the Arab Spring uprisings; or refugees and asylum seekers resulting from the withdrawal/repositioning of US troops in places like Afghanistan and Syria . It doesn’t include the war in Ukraine. Sharp increases in the intake of refugees and asylum seekers into Countries already experiencing depleted resources and growing pressure on public services has triggered a backlash in those Countries accepting them. This combined with anti-Muslim sentiment arising from 9/11 itself and subsequent terror based organisations gaining strongholds in the ME and Africa, has provided one of the main policy ideas of populist movements, that of anti-immigration and Islamophobic sentiment.

• South American increase in violence and extreme poverty As far as the US is concerned, ironically, movement of economic migrants of Mexicans into the US decreased in the mid-2000s when the Great Recession of 2008 hit construction industry (which had a large Mexican workforce) deterring migrants and coinciding with better economic conditions in Mexico. However, growing violence, extreme poverty and racism in places like Equador, Columbia, Haiti and Venezuela have resulted the movement of millions of asylum seekers making the arduous journey into Mexico to cross the Mexican border into the US - public Anti-immigration sentiment in response to this rising migration in the US has been fuelled and scapegoated by the far right and found it’s way in to mainstream right wing populist politics.

• The rise of Eurosceptism - the combination of growing European integration (and its consequential bureaucracy and growing body of legislation/rules) and global economic crisis in 2008 gave rise to dissatisfaction that the EU was not helping to solve people’s problems, small businesses were going to the wall and interest rates and inflationary pressures were resulting in mortgage defaults as a result of negative equity. Far right political parties and at their core, nationalism, gained strength on scapegoating the EU - this was particularly true in France, Sweden and the Netherlands - Mainstream political parties began to see electoral milage in eurosceptic policy platforms.

• Globalisation of trade and cheap foreign labour (both imported and in situ at source) hit areas/regions that had struggled to adapt to internal levels of high unemployment (in part caused by technological/digitalisation of traditional industries in the past several decades) and as Western domestic manufacturing industries started to collapse. Free trade movement and labour movement within the EU and the flooding of Western markets with cheap imports from the growing industrial and productive strength of the tiger economies gave rise to isolationist economic policies and anti-imported labour (particularly into the NHS and Agriculture) - another foundational aspect of right wing populist ideology.

• Climate Change - Since the Kyoto Agreement on Climate Change in 1997, subsequent treaties have imposed more and more stringent targets on reducing the impact of fossil fuels - the cost and inconvenience of ‘being responsible guardians of the planet’ has resulted in a backlash against policies designed to combat climate change. Anti-pro Climate Change policies and even Climate Change deniers have become a common theme in the rise of populism in past decade, culminating in Trump withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and various mainstream parties rolling back on their ‘green‘ commitments. Anti-environmental sentiment, once espouse by conspiracy theorists and Climate Change deniers has been popularised by the rise of far right politics into the mainstream in the past decade. Huge protests against the rising cost of green taxes/levies on fossil fuel use have been compounded by the war in Ukraine and more recently the war in Gaza. Climate Change has become a highly politicised issue dividing the left and right spectrum of political thinking and has been weaponised by the right - ’a new poll by YouGov for The Economist found that whereas 87% of Biden voters believed that climate change was caused by human activity, only 21% of Trump voters agreed’.

• Covid Pandemic - ‘As populist parties in particular thrive, if not even depend, on crises, the link between populism and various aspects of the recent COVID-19 crisis is of great interest to social scientists’. Trump and Bolsonaro both populist, right wing leaders, played down the seriousness of the pandemic, as did some far left groups, yet there was a populist backlash against the severity of lockdown measures and social distancing regulations which provided perfect fodder for right wing conspiracy theorist and the anti-establishment sentiment, a central tenet of ‘populism’ to exploit. Populist parties globally boosted their position by politicising the pandemic for anti-establishment fervour and presenting themselves as the ‘only ones capable’ of ‘dealing with the crisis’.

Inforegio - The development trap: a cause of Euroscepticism?

EuropeanCommission – Regional Policy - Inforegio

ec.europa.eu

Inside the deteriorating conditions forcing South American migrants to flee north from country to country

ABC News Live followed a Venezuelan family who are among the millions of migrants that have been part of the largest forced displacement in history not caused by war.

abcnews.go.com

The global backlash against climate policies has begun

Cost, convenience and conspiracy-mongering undercut support for greenery

www.economist.com

Populism in Times of a Pandemic

Abstract This article provides an analysis of the COVID-19 discourse within six European populist parties from Spain, Germany, and France, with the aim of shedding light on the diverse interpretations and presentations of the pandemic by these parties. While most studies focus on right-wing or...

brill.com

lasvegan said:

My intention isn’t to preach, just to present an opinion. You could also read the opinion piece I posted and tell me why you disagree, a proper debate.

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