[Travel] Shoreham Traffic

Eric the meek · Feb 14, 2024

I was in Shoreham today, around the time of high water, at 14:20, a tide of 6.31m. It was the highest tide I've ever seen at Shoreham, with sea level no more than 40cm below the seating area by the footbridge. A fire engine was parked there, just in case. Looking at the tide times over the past week, several were even higher.

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BrightonCottager · Feb 14, 2024

Eric the meek said:
I was in Shoreham today, around the time of high water, at 14:20, a tide of 6.31m. It was the highest tide I've ever seen at Shoreham, with sea level no more than 40cm below the seating area by the footbridge. A fire engine was parked there, just in case. Looking at the tide times over the past week, several were even higher.

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This will be a major problem for Shoreham. The flood defences completed a few years ago were designed a few years before that and predictions for sea level rise and rainfall are getting worse. All the development behind the defences will be at risk during its lifetime (assumed to be 100 years) and the Environment Agency aren't able to maintain its defences very well (NAO report last November). Plus the sewers aren't big enough and huge amounts of sustainable drainage has to be retrofitted over the next decade.

But you have to understand that Councils are under tremendous pressure from Government to allocate land for housing and if they don't, are vulnerable to speculative developments.

Weststander · Feb 14, 2024

Where should the new homes go?

Our population has increased by 9m since 1997, Shelter say we’re millions of homes short. Young folk, sofa surfers and those living in B&B’s deserve a home as much as any of us. Only those with the bank of mum and dad gifting huge deposits have a chance.

Labour say they’ll deal with this, so prepare for nimbyism.

Comrade Sam · Feb 14, 2024

MTSeagulls said:
Me too, I left in 1986, and until I got to pub age (or a couple of years before) the only things there was Woolies and Buckingham Park. After that I played football for Shoreham Utd and Greenjacket and was a member of the rowing club.

How do the kids learn how to shoplift without Woolies?
Footie on Beach Green, Subbuteo with Papa Lazarou and Zefarelly and The Welly where about it for entertainment.

Comrade Sam · Feb 14, 2024

Weststander said:
Where should the new homes go?

Our population has increased by 9m since 1997, Shelter say we’re millions of homes short. Young folk, sofa surfers and those living in B&B’s deserve a home as much as any of us. Only those with the bank of mum and dad gifting huge deposits have a chance.

Labour say they’ll deal with this, so prepare for nimbyism.

They should build 2 million houses in Shoreham and encourage miscegenation. Populations grow, that's what make countries richer.

Greenbag50 · Feb 14, 2024

Right wing = pointing out national net immigration numbers and house building pressures. We need to build homes nationally to keep up with demand of our country’s growing population. Sussex has to do their bit. Do you not think NIMBY’s in some other Sussex town have not objected to these flats. If we have the population increase we need to build houses somewhere!
Brown belt build = build on non farm land/ land which is not productive or spare in already built up areas. This is what the new Shoreham flats are doing on brown riverside land. Agree we need to build local infrastructure to meet the demand this is also part of the overall national demand, by also at local levels.
Avocado’s = if you choose to live in Lancing, because it’s cheaper than Shoreham, you can buy perfectly good Advocado’s in Lancing Asda. I buy them regularly from there.
Also, if you choose to live somewhere, don’t take the piss out of other residents of that same place.
Move if you don’t like it.

Beach Hut · Feb 14, 2024

The problem in Shoreham is the majority of house purchasers cannot afford the current house prices. We have just managed to get both kids on the property ladder however it wasn't easy.

JamieR · Feb 15, 2024

It's the same in Worthing. Constant bloody gridlock all day. It's all very well bunging new houses right left and centre but without the improvements in infrastructure the whole area grinds to a halt. When the Goring Gap development went to the Inspectorate, they acknowledged that even if we developed every blade of grass in the area, we would still fall short of our development targets.With this in mind, is it time to consider new towns and start afresh with large scale development and supporting infrastructure?

Boys 9d · Feb 15, 2024

Some of the traffic problems in Shoreham are due to progressive and seemingly continuous road works on the A259 through Lancing causing traffic to back up hindering free flow.

B-right-on · Feb 15, 2024

Weststander said:
Where should the new homes go?

Our population has increased by 9m since 1997, Shelter say we’re millions of homes short. Young folk, sofa surfers and those living in B&B’s deserve a home as much as any of us. Only those with the bank of mum and dad gifting huge deposits have a chance.

Labour say they’ll deal with this, so prepare for nimbyism.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you up in arms about some fields getting developed over your way not that long ago?

Shoreham is becoming ridiculously over developed with the hundreds of new flats going up around the Adur river. Not including the thousands that have already been built in the last 10 years.

By over developed, I mean the roads can't take the traffic, there's not enough Drs and dentists, the schools already are over subscribed as it is without the new flats being occupied.

Plus the infrastructure of water, sewage etc... wasn't built to handle that many homes, so that's a predictable problem down the line which won't get addressed until it becomes a disaster. Again.

Brovion · Feb 15, 2024

Hamilton said:
I’m an ex-Shoreham boy. Moved out when I was 18 and haven’t been back to live there. However, my Mum and Dad still live there and so I’ve watched it change with some interest.

I’d say that 10 years ago it was changing for the better. Families moving in. New businesses seemed to be popping up. It was getting popular.

Then the developers got wind that Shoreham might be an attractive proposition and starting throwing up apartments with little thought as to how the people in them might be served or what they might turn into in the long term.

Shoreham’s not a brown field site. It was a town and a community and I’ve a feeling developers didn’t care much about that. It was more about how many they could squeeze in.

I agree with all your post except the last bit. Afaik all the development is on sites that had previously been used, most had been used industrially/commercially, surely those are the very definition of 'brownfield sites?' For example the block of flats my son lives in was built on the site of an old B and Q (and before that I think it had been a Post Office depot).

His block, btw, is pretty much the epitome of 'ideal development' (if there is such a thing). Not only is it brownfield it also contains affordable housing. His place is shared ownership, there is no way he could have afforded Sussex prices otherwise. There are quite a few young families in there, and it's developed into a little community.

With regard to the traffic I grew up in Lancing in the 60s, 70s and 80s (I'm out on parole now), so I know Shoreham well. I look at the A259 with horror - how did it get that busy? For my son though it's the 'new normal', it is what it is and he puts up with it and allows for it. And yes he does use the bus, the train and he cycles so he's not a lazy selfish motorist all the time.

One Teddy Maybank · Feb 15, 2024

Weststander said:
Where should the new homes go?

Our population has increased by 9m since 1997, Shelter say we’re millions of homes short. Young folk, sofa surfers and those living in B&B’s deserve a home as much as any of us. Only those with the bank of mum and dad gifting huge deposits have a chance.

Labour say they’ll deal with this, so prepare for nimbyism.

Perhaps unpopular, but not in the South East, unless brown field sites

This area is at saturation point.

There is no infrastructure to support further houses…..
Everything feels at breaking point.
And building on flood plains is just ridiculous.

Happy to be labelled a ‘nimby’ on this, because there is no apparent strategy to this, and listening to Starmer, I’d be staggered if he has one either.

Herr Tubthumper · Feb 15, 2024

Beach Hut said:
The problem in Shoreham is the majority of house purchasers cannot afford the current house prices. We have just managed to get both kids on the property ladder however it wasn't easy.

Same deal with a lot of places. Property and rent becomes so expensive folk move on. When I lived in London people started moving from Camden to Hoxton to Dalston to Hackney….they’re even living in Bethnal Green now. Brighton, then Shoreham, then Worthing etc.

The Clamp · Feb 15, 2024

Greenbag50 said:
Right wing = pointing out national net immigration numbers and house building pressures. We need to build homes nationally to keep up with demand of our country’s growing population. Sussex has to do their bit. Do you not think NIMBY’s in some other Sussex town have not objected to these flats. If we have the population increase we need to build houses somewhere!
Brown belt build = build on non farm land/ land which is not productive or spare in already built up areas. This is what the new Shoreham flats are doing on brown riverside land. Agree we need to build local infrastructure to meet the demand this is also part of the overall national demand, by also at local levels.
Avocado’s = if you choose to live in Lancing, because it’s cheaper than Shoreham, you can buy perfectly good Advocado’s in Lancing Asda. I buy them regularly from there.
Also, if you choose to live somewhere, don’t take the piss out of other residents of that same place.
Move if you don’t like it.

I’ll do what I like.

It’s called a sense of humour. You should get one, they’re nice.

Beyond that, you’re a right wing troll from what I’ve seen of you on here lately. You can go on ignore.

southstandandy · Feb 15, 2024

Wait until all the blocks of flats go up over the next couple of years on the front.

You simply won't be able to move. Grid lock will be everywhere.

Absolutely NO foresight from anyone in authority. The seafront will shortly resemble a CAR PARK that moves at a Snails pace.

zefarelly · Feb 15, 2024

The Clamp said:
Works with temp lights and a few stop n go’s. Putting in services for the ridiculous amount of blocks of flats flying up in Shoreham.

A few decades from now, people will curse what they allowed happen to Shoreham.

SOme of us are still cursing what they did 30 years ago. nothing will change.

SteveU · Feb 15, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You think Shoreham is being occupied by immigrants?

I have seen several of your posts tonight, and you are clearly a right wing tit. So you can f*** right off and go on ignore.

I assume you have completely missed the context of the post and have made a tit of yourself

Harry Wilson's tackle · Feb 15, 2024

SteveU said:
I assume you have completely missed the context of the post and have made a tit of yourself

You assume wrong.

zefarelly · Feb 15, 2024

southstandandy said:
Wait until all the blocks of flats go up over the next couple of years on the front.

You simply won't be able to move. Grid lock will be everywhere.

Absolutely NO foresight from anyone in authority. The seafront will shortly resemble a CAR PARK that moves at a Snails pace.

It already does. Population is only half of it . . . . Industry has moved and people feel compelled to travel stupid discatnces to work.

for example . . . . Where all the blocks of flats are on the river bank used to be industry . . . So planning should have said 1/2 residential and half industry/infrastructure. But that's not as profitable.

One thing is for sure. ADC, WSCC and our beloved MP have lined pockets, as encouraged by government, at the whole towns expense.

I wouldn't move to Shoreham now, but having been here a while It's still better than most places.

Colonel Mustard · Feb 15, 2024

The Clamp said:
I’ll do what I like.

That’s the spirit.

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