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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



Zeberdi

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Your facts are drivel.
What a ridiculous response. Dispute the facts I have listed then - what did I say that wasn’t true? - that’s right, nothing - you can not dismiss facts as ‘drivel’ just because you don’t like them - that’s twice now you have called my responses ‘deranged‘ or ‘drivel’ - yet failed to address the specific points or proven them to be false.

Do I need to repeat my list of his global ‘achievements’ with half a dozen references for each point?
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".
Sounds like you've been watching Newsmax on Freeview
 


Zeberdi

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Trump told the protesters to go home in peace, and bye. Good.
That’s a true conspiracist take on him dog whistling them all to march on the Capitol in the first place that it was to “save our Country“ and “protect our constitution from the democrats” and him telling the crowds “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal

So after rallying up the Mega crowd into believing the whole election was a fraud (never proven) he then rallied them into believing they had to stop Mike Pence from declaring the results and ‘take back’ the Country ‘today’. Telling a frenzied and angry crowd to do so ‘peacefully’ in the very disingenuous manner he uses was just a whistle in the wind in the context of his whole rebel rousing speech and Trump knew it.


EDIT - I note that Trump isn’t denying the charges of incitement, he is arguing that he has presidential immunity against prosecution …
 
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nicko31

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What worries me is that in 2016 we had a lunatic that didn't know what he was doing, but there were adults around him people that moderated him. It wasn't great but we avoided the worse.

In 2024 we have a lunatic that now knows what is he is doing, if he wins he will feel vindicated in full, his numerous crimes don't count, the truth doesn't count and the adults are all gone. Just sycophants around him.

God help us
 
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Albion my Albion

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Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".

You are full of 2 things, 5h!t & conspiracy theories. Get over it. It can't be all true and 99% isn't. Ask most Republicans. Yep, Trumpsters aren't even a majority of the Republicans. Just gotta have them to win the nomination.
 




A1X

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Your facts are drivel. Trump wiped out 300 Wagner is Syria. "Dog whistiling"= Conspiracy theory, Militias are legitimate in the USA unlike BLM/Antifa who burnt down cities and murdered over 30 people at the Bequest of Democrats and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".
Anyone got a “conspiracy bingo” card? I reckon I’ve got House.
 








A1X

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To be fair, I saw that Trump advert and also said “Jesus Christ”
 


Mental Lental

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and Soros backed DAs who played catch and release. I really cant be bothers with your other "facts".
Be careful with dropping Soros conspiracy theories....that's borderline antisemitism and will likely get you banned if you escalate it. Most of our previous resident trolls ended up getting banned for antisemitism specifically. So if you want to keep fishing for bites on here I suggest you just stick to the MAGA stuff that focuses on that fat orange shit stain.
 


lasvegan

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Be careful with dropping Soros conspiracy theories....that's borderline antisemitism and will likely get you banned if you escalate it. Most of our previous resident trolls ended up getting banned for antisemitism specifically. So if you want to keep fishing for bites on here I suggest you just stick to the MAGA stuff that focuses on that fat orange shit stain.
Are you saying that criticizing Soros is antisemitic? How about criticizing Netanyahu, he seems to be fair game?

How about criticizing fat, orange shit stains then? That must be borderline racism.

Don‘t be daft…
 




Zeberdi

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Are you saying that criticizing Soros is antisemitic? How about criticizing Netanyahu, he seems to be fair game?

How about criticizing fat, orange shit stains then? That must be borderline racism.

Don‘t be daft…
That is not what is being said at all - it is not antisemitic to criticise either Bibi or Soros on political grounds but
the conspiracy theories about Soros have been fuelled by antisemitic stereotyping and in Eastern Europe, the anti-Soros campaigns have been even more overtly racist.

The Antisemitism Lurking Behind George Soros Conspiracy Theories

As for Trump it is laughable to suggest that criticism of someones orangey fake spray on tan qualifies as racial discrimination- in fact it is not laughable at all but insulting to those who suffer from genuine discrimination from white supremacists and any other of the extremist groups that seem attracted to Trump’s form of popularism like flies to the smell of bad shit.
 
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lasvegan

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That is not what is being said at all - it is not antisemitic to criticise either Bibi or Soros on political grounds but
the conspiracy theories about Soros have been fuelled by antisemitic stereotyping and in Eastern Europe, the anti-Soros campaigns have been even more overtly racist.


As for Trump it is laughable to suggest that criticism of someones orangey fake spray on tan qualifies as racial discrimination- in fact it is not laughable at all but insulting to those who suffer from genuine discrimination from white supremacists and any other of the extremist groups that seem attracted to Trump’s form of popularism like flies to the smell of bad shit.
Have you no sense of humor whatsoever? Typical angry leftist…

…and who the fcuk is ML threatening bans, get off your high hobby horse.
 


Zeberdi

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Have you no sense of humor whatsoever? Typical angry leftist…

…and who the fcuk is ML threatening bans, get off your high hobby horse.
No not tbh - not when it comes to discrimination and particularly when discussing those that weaponise antisemitism - or indeed are actually guilty of it. Like most people, I’m angry about several things in life, however you suggesting Trumps fake skin colour warrants him special protection under discrimination laws isn’t one of them 😂

Btw - I haven’t been what you might describe as a ‘leftist’ for about 35 years - after that, my more active Labour Party membership and activity had reached a Clause IV moment and I became pro-New Labour much to the ire of my ‘old Labour’ colleagues.
 




lasvegan

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No not tbh - not when it comes to discrimination and particularly when discussing those that weaponise antisemitism - or indeed are actually guilty of it. Like most people, I’m angry about several things in life, however you suggesting Trumps fake skin colour warrants him special protection under discrimination laws isn’t one of them 😂

Btw - I haven’t been what you might describe as a ‘leftist’ for about 35 years - after that, my more active Labour Party membership and activity had reached a Clause IV moment and I became pro-New Labour much to the ire of my ‘old Labour’ colleagues.
PS. I love your musical taste…
 




Zeberdi

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Get a room.
It won’t be with me @peterward - @lasvegan and I are diametrically opposed on political pov - doesn’t mean debate has to always resort into shouting childish slurs at people across a playground as seems to happen a lot with NSCers who have differences of opinion with others.
 


nicko31

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Decent analysis from political scientist Brian Klaas on what a second Trump term would bring. He usually he a pretty good measure of every authoritarian going...

 






Crawley Dingo

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What a ridiculous response. Dispute the facts I have listed then - what did I say that wasn’t true? - that’s right, nothing - you can not dismiss facts as ‘drivel’ just because you don’t like them - that’s twice now you have called my responses ‘deranged‘ or ‘drivel’ - yet failed to address the specific points or proven them to be false.

Do I need to repeat my list of his global ‘achievements’ with half a dozen references for each point?

For every post in this thread I get about 5 responses if you think I am going to answer all of them (9 since I was last on)and every point with citations you can F Right Off.

I answered 2 of them which you overlooked, be grateful, I'm giving this hyper partizan echo chamber no more than 5 to 10 minutes. Although I may go back to the start of this thread and see who has swallowed the Muller enquiry farce.
 


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