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The Clamp · Jun 6, 2023

sheebo said:
There are some good things happening here. Unrealistic carbon neutral targets and electric car targets etc, but at least it’s steps in the right direction, albeit a bit later than it should have. I have no idea what the worst offenders like China etc are doing though tbh. Hopefully the same and change will start to happen a bit more quickly. There are positives despite the obvious negatives and gross oil companies etc. I try to be a bit positive.

I think overall, you’re right. And I genuinely think your mindset is the key to getting through climate issues.
If we don’t at least try to focus on the positives, we will only give up hope.

Essentially, no country wants the world to end.

So yes, I largely agree with you.

Carbonara · Jun 6, 2023

Why don't they prosecute those who are providing funding for this terrorist group?

dsr-burnley · Jun 7, 2023

I suspect that if the earth warms up to the level of heat before the Ice Ages started, then the earth will look quite a lot like it did before the Ice Ages started. Very fertile, any increase in desert land in Africa (which there may not be) more than compensated for by the increase in usable land in Canada, Russia, Antarctica.

Where will humans be? That's another question.

rogersix · Jun 7, 2023

sheebo said:
Certainly not an expert on the subject by any means but ‘humans will probably make ourselves extinct within 100years’ seems incredibly far fetched to me. Can’t see it. Won’t be here to find out but I’m sure if this happens, the writing will be on the wall in 50 years so let’s revisit it then…!

study climate science; far fetched? civilisation survives another 100 years, 50/50

we now know what we're doing, we just can't stop doing it

rogersix · Jun 7, 2023

dsr-burnley said:
I suspect that if the earth warms up to the level of heat before the Ice Ages started, then the earth will look quite a lot like it did before the Ice Ages started. Very fertile, any increase in desert land in Africa (which there may not be) more than compensated for by the increase in usable land in Canada, Russia, Antarctica.

Where will humans be? That's another question.

and we'll all be eating pie in the sky

Mo Gosfield · Jun 7, 2023

Carbonara said:
Why don't they prosecute those who are providing funding for this terrorist group?

Dale Vince ( owner of Forest Green Rovers )

Mo Gosfield · Jun 7, 2023

So where do we start..........
1 ) Multiple coal using power plants in China ( and increasing ) and other countries.
2) All aircraft
3) All massive container ships.

Just tackling these three would make a massive difference but we all know it aint gonna happen. So politicians will target the less 'sensitive ' areas and changes will be pretty insignificant. But never mind, at least they will be seen to be trying to do something.
The truth is that a lot of people want to save the world but don't want to compromise their lifestyles too much. Activists flying around the world to campaign, tourists flying 4-5 times a year and business people and celebrities flying regularly. Our insatiable consumerism demanding massive cargo movement across the oceans and we all know that the Chinese will be left to their own destructive devices and will continue to do more harm than good.
So fck all that damage and lets concentrate on electric cars.

Randy McNob · Jun 7, 2023

Mo Gosfield said:
So where do we start..........
1 ) Multiple coal using power plants in China ( and increasing ) and other countries.
2) All aircraft
3) All massive container ships.

Just tackling these three would make a massive difference but we all know it aint gonna happen. So politicians will target the less 'sensitive ' areas and changes will be pretty insignificant. But never mind, at least they will be seen to be trying to do something.
The truth is that a lot of people want to save the world but don't want to compromise their lifestyles too much. Activists flying around the world to campaign, tourists flying 4-5 times a year and business people and celebrities flying regularly. Our insatiable consumerism demanding massive cargo movement across the oceans and we all know that the Chinese will be left to their own destructive devices and will continue to do more harm than good.
So fck all that damage and lets concentrate on electric cars.

The idea that China are the biggest culprits for CO2 emmissions is a myth. If you see the below link of countries emmisions per capita China are not even in the top 30. Also China is investing far more than any other country in clean / renewable energy, see 2nd link

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions per Capita for each Country in the world

www.worldometers.info

China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S.

China accounted for nearly half of the world's low-carbon spending in 2022, which could challenge U.S. efforts to bolster domestic clean energy manufacturing

www.scientificamerican.com

The Gulf states are the biggest culprits so why does everyone bash China? Do your research

The Clamp · Jun 7, 2023

Any country that wants a place at the table fo the future needs to be heavily investing in green energy. Right now.

If I was environment minister I’d invite JSO to a round table discussion followed by high tea.

Open up a dialogue. Even as a goodwill gesture Why not? Nothing to lose. They aren’t going away.

BadFish · Jun 7, 2023

The Clamp said:
Any country that wants a place at the table fo the future needs to be heavily investing in green energy. Right now.

If I was environment minister I’d invite JSO to a round table discussion followed by high tea.

Open up a dialogue. Even as a goodwill gesture Why not? Nothing to lose. They aren’t going away.

Not much point when they don't pay as well as the fossil fuel industry.

The Clamp · Jun 7, 2023

BadFish said:
Not much point when they don't pay as well as the fossil fuel industry.

Well quite. If you’re not handing them money or getting them out of trouble, they don’t want to know.

Hang the bloody lot of ‘em off tower bridge.

Randy McNob · Jun 7, 2023

Sid and the Sharknados · Jun 7, 2023

The Clamp said:
Well quite. If you’re not handing them money or getting them out of trouble, they don’t want to know.

Hang the bloody lot of ‘em off tower bridge.

I feel like it'd be more environmentally friendly to chuck them in an incinerator to generate electricity.
Or grind them up for use as fertiliser.

The Clamp · Jun 8, 2023

Randy McNob said:

Hash browns? Has she not read the “fry-up thread”?

Throw away the key.

The Clamp · Jun 8, 2023

Sid and the Sharknados said:
I feel like it'd be more environmentally friendly to chuck them in an incinerator to generate electricity.
Or grind them up for use as fertiliser.

Grind their bones for grist.

pastafarian · Jun 8, 2023

Wrong-Direction said:
What's your opinion on having kids Clamp?

Billy the Fish · Jun 8, 2023

Randy McNob said:

She broke her bail conditions :facepalm:

Well done phoebe, enjoy your bird :thumbsup:

Not that it will matter to her, another trust fund baby who doesn't need to work, doesn't need to go anywhere, doesn't have to worry about a criminal record.

carlzeiss · Jun 8, 2023

Randy McNob said:

Eight Police officers to arrest her . Phoebe must be well hard :bowdown:

The Clamp · Jun 8, 2023

carlzeiss said:
Eight Police officers to arrest her . Phoebe must be well hard

I can see how having a number of officers may seem alarming to members of the public but it’s the safest way to detain someone.

If she kicked off and she needed to be put on the floor, it’s much safer to have an officer on each limb where there is no pressure on her diaphragm or vital organs, than one or two officers fighting her and then having to put knees on her back/chest.

It’s also safer in the event of other people getting involved. You can use surplus officers for crowd control. If there are only two officers, others could attack them while they are detaining the subject. If she had to be held on the ground and there’s only two or three officers, those officers become very vulnerable when they are detaining her.

Some of those officers likely responded in a squad car and then more officers likely turned up in a prison van to transport her to custody. All those vehicles require officers to drive and man them.

And the very simple fact that someone is a lot less likely to kick off if there are a number of officers at the scene. Better to have 8 officers peacefully escorting someone to custody than two officers scrapping with her in the middle of a cafe.

It does frustrate me when we get members of the public shouting at us for detaining people in numbers. I almost want to stand everyone down and say “go on then, you detain him on your own, good luck, he’s got a knife in his waistband”

But yeah, safety in numbers. Safer for everyone including the person being detained.

jcdenton08 · Jun 8, 2023

The Clamp said:
I can see how having a number of officers may seem alarming to members of the public but it’s the safest way to detain someone.

If she kicked off and she needed to be put on the floor, it’s much safer to have an officer on each limb where there is no pressure on her diaphragm or vital organs, than one or two officers fighting her and then having to put knees on her back/chest.

It’s also safer in the event of other people getting involved. You can use surplus officers for crowd control. If there are only two officers, others could attack them while they are detaining the subject. If she had to be held on the ground and there’s only two or three officers, those officers become very vulnerable when they are detaining her.

Some of those officers likely responded in a squad car and then more officers likely turned up in a prison van to transport her to custody. All those vehicles require officers to drive and man them.

And the very simple fact that someone is a lot less likely to kick off if there are a number of officers at the scene. Better to have 8 officers peacefully escorting someone to custody than two officers scrapping with her in the middle of a cafe.

It does frustrate me when we get members of the public shouting at us for detaining people in numbers. I almost want to stand everyone down and say “go on then, you detain him on your own, good luck, he’s got a knife in his waistband”

But yeah, safety in numbers. Safer for everyone including the person being detained.

Excellent post.

Separate point but “On Monday, Phoebe was issued draconian bail conditions by
@metpoliceuk
stating she is “not to protest on any roadway within the UK”. This morning, Phoebe chose to slow march for no new oil and gas.”

Am I missing something, or was she bailed with the condition (very common with all police bail) that she essentially desists from the activity which got her arrested in the first place.

Then, as I understand it, she went almost directly from the police station to continue protesting, thus immediately breaching her bail conditions.

I don’t understand why someone would then be surprised they got arrested.

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