[Misc] All about opinions sometimes……..

The Clamp · Mar 13, 2023

BadFish said:
The whole post is an absolute work of art. Never have I read so many sentences so many times and wondered what the writer might be trying to communicate.

Its like f***ing Keats or something . . . Or perhaps Hunter S Thompson.

Mental isn’t it.
Nanny state abd it’s bloody dangerous.
You cannot erase history or edit it.
People need to get a grip
and see history and society for what it once was,
not,
bury their hands in the sand.
Really annoys me.
Lack of realism!!

Fade to darkness . Bloody brilliant.

Either way I am getting it tattooed on my back in Latin.

Mentis non est.
Cnnny status abd periculosum est cruentum.
Historiam delere vel recensere non potes.
Populus postulo ut a tenaci
et vide historiam et societatem quod olim fuit;
non,
manus in sabulo sepeliunt.
Itane angit me.
Nullam realismus!

Makes more sense in Latin

Guinness Boy · Mar 13, 2023

wellquickwoody said:
Oh look, GB taking a mocking tone, how novel. Funnily enough this was on the TV breakfast news this morning so it either has taken 16 years to get here, or there is another update occurring. No doubt you will have the answer, or will claim to know better. BTW, not outraged, just bewildered.

Top marks once again. Complaining about a mocking tone in a mocking tone in a thread you started about language meaning being edited :lolol:

JBizzle · Mar 13, 2023

Live by the sea said:
Brilliantly written kids books - much better than most of the writers nowadays , leave Enid alone.

Speaking as a parent or an 8-year-old son who adores reading, I couldn't disagree with you more on writers "nowadays". Enid Blyton is undoubtedly a writer that many hold in great esteem, but some of the books my son reads are fantastic, engaging reads across absolutely LOADS of writers.

He's been so engaged in reading at from young age and that's because modern children's book are actually really good, starting with the Julia Donaldson books and upwards (age-wise) from there. It's all about opinions of course, but I (as a 40 year old man) am far less equipped to say "kids book these days are rubbish" than actual kids who buy and read modern books in their droves.

[Just to add for balance, he has really enjoyed Blyton and Dahl books too]

dejavuatbtn · Mar 13, 2023

studio150 said:
George clearly ahead of her time by having a boys name, but will need new parents as it is doubtful that Fanny is acceptable as a mothers name.

Yes, perhaps we need to go back and rename all the Fannys there have been over the years. Will keep a few people in work. Oh the productivity of it all.

Super Steve Earle · Mar 13, 2023

BadFish said:
Even more so than the Roald Dahl updates I struggling to see why this is an issue for a football forum populated my middle aged men. Hand on heart when was the last time any of us read a famous five book?

They were shite when we were kids and they are even worse now.

Full disclosure I think I read the faraway tree to my daughter 10 years ago. Which is better than the famous five but still pretty shit.

Editing the language isn't going to make any difference toy enjoyment, or lack thereof, of famous five books.

I will leave the pitch forks and outrage to the Blyton Stan Club.

TL: DR I don't give a shit.

I read them to my young grandson about four years ago and he loved them so much, we had to buy them all.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 13, 2023

wellquickwoody said:
just bewildered.

So it often seems.

BadFish · Mar 13, 2023

Super Steve Earle said:
I read them to my young grandson about four years ago and he loved them so much, we had to buy them all.

I stand corrected on this point. It seems they get read more than I assumed.

I stand by my point though, I am struggling to give a shit.

rogersix · Mar 13, 2023

wellquickwoody said:
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………..

snowflake imploring a face on a cloud to save humanity from some children's books.......

ffs woody, get grip. tell your aussie mates about your, "end of the world" hysterics, and see what they make of it

focus on something positive and stop whining about nothing, it's not a good look

always remember, for the rest of your days, you will be an ambassador for our once great nation,

don't let us down, son

dejavuatbtn · Mar 13, 2023

Swansman said:
Seems like silly, unnecessary changes. But can't see the political sensitivity in it due to the nature of these books - nothing lost really...

We had to read some Famous Five books when studying English as kids. I was used to watching Transformers, Turtles, Batman, Tintin and all sorts of cool stuff on the television and thought "these are some dull kids". Remember thinking the books were incredibly shallow with absolutely no thought-provoking content. Incredible that these books are still popular today.

Yeah, but at the time they were written none of this other incredibly exciting, cool, content was around. Post war for kids was a time of adventure and Blyton captures it at the time, although Tin Tin was of a similar ilk. You could ask why these books were still being used post 60s - that I suspect is down to a lack of resources within the educational sector because they were obviously so outdated in terms of language and content.

BadFish · Mar 13, 2023

I found this article about the previous changes to the text. Turns out we don't even need the pitchforks and pearl clutching, we can just let the market decide - the mechanism is already in place.

Ultimately the publishers are going to publish what sells the best. If the market doesn't want it they won't bother providing it.

But on Friday, McNeil told the Guardian that the publisher’s “sensitive reworking” of Blyton was not received well by readers.

“The feedback we have had six years on shows that the love for The Famous Five remains intact, and changing mother to mummy, pullover to jumper, was not required,” McNeil said. “We want Enid Blyton’s legacy to go on. Millions of readers have learned to read with her.”

Famous Five go back to original language after update flops

‘Sensitive revisions’ of Enid Blyton books for modern children have not been the hit that publishers hoped for

www.theguardian.com

BadFish · Mar 13, 2023

dejavuatbtn said:
Yeah, but at the time they were written none of this other incredibly exciting, cool, content was around. Post war for kids was a time of adventure and Blyton captures it at the time, although Tin Tin was of a similar ilk. You could ask why these books were still being used post 60s - that I suspect is down to a lack of resources within the educational sector because they were obviously so outdated in terms of language and content.

My mother insisting on reading them to my brother and I was her single handed attempt to keep them going

That and Beatrix bloody Potter!

The Clamp · Mar 13, 2023

Enid Blyton had books rejected by her publisher when she was still active because of their archaic language and attitudes.

Even in her time, she was often seen as rather controversial.

Having said that, I largely see her books as of their time and very inoffensive. Great books for kids. And in this era of internet exposure and children having to face “the real world” at a younger and younger age, I think authors like Blyton should be kept intact.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 13, 2023

Sometimes a judicious bit of updating is essential. When I bought my copy of one of Agatha Christie's novels, back in the 1970s, from a charity shop, it had its original title: :facepalm:

BadFish · Mar 13, 2023

The Clamp said:
I think authors like Blyton should be kept intact.

I'm not sure of the alternatives with this but I suspect we all agree with this.

GrizzlingGammon · Mar 13, 2023

wellquickwoody said:
I can only laugh at the intolerance shown on here at times. Talk of outrage, pitchforks, end of the world, knicker wetting. I was just pointing out how sensitive some souls seem to have become these days. Seems the knitting club are out in force right now, must be Ovaltine time for you all soon.

Where does this particular 'insult' come from? I never heard this until after Tom Daley was doing his knitting. Are these linked?

NorthstandRacoon · Mar 13, 2023

El Presidente said:
“See history for what it once was“ is perhaps the greatest thing that’s ever been written on NSC

Cannot tell if you are taking the piss or not!? You also missed ‘society’ in that.

NorthstandRacoon · Mar 13, 2023

jackalbion said:
Yes ladies and gents the rewording of a child’s book is erasure of history.

Oh behave chap and stop being pedantic.

The Clamp · Mar 13, 2023

GrizzlingGammon said:
Where does this particular 'insult' come from? I never heard this until after Tom Daley was doing his knitting. Are these linked?

I think it’s older than that. Derives from the “knit and natter” groups. Old biddies sitting around gossiping while they knit their grandchild a jumper.

That’s my understanding of it anyway.

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