[Football] Has Nathan Bitten Off More Than He Can Chew? - Sacked 12/02/2023

Bowers-sfc · Jan 5, 2023

Good evening!

Thought I would come on here and post from a saints fans perspective.

Firstly, well done on a fantastic season so far ( genuinely ) even after a change of manager, I think you’ve surprised a few to carry on where potter left.

Game against you on Boxing Day… were to start? I think it’s easy for some saints fans to say ‘we made Brighton look good’ but in reality, you’ve been good all season, and in current form you’d be expecting to be beat us. You played well, and one hell of a strike from march for his first goal!

Back to Nathan Jones….

It was questionable at the time, and looks like a disaster appointment now.

Never have I in my time as a football fan seen such feelings of displeasure towards a manager so early on.

It was toxic last night, signing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc.

He basically had a pre season with 99% of our squad, to put his stamp on the squad, find the right formula… but he’s genuinely made us worse.

Persisting with 5 at the back when we don’t have the players to play that system. We’ve switched to a back 4 nearly all games he’s taken charge off, and we look so much better.. but then he goes back to a back 5?

Best thing would be for the owners to come out, hands up and admit they got it wrong and change now to give us the slightest hope of staying up…

It looks likely we are going down…

‘Can you keep up with us’ not looking great now is it?

All the best for the season

MJsGhost · Jan 5, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
Good evening!

Thought I would come on here and post from a saints fans perspective.

Firstly, well done on a fantastic season so far ( genuinely ) even after a change of manager, I think you’ve surprised a few to carry on where potter left.

Game against you on Boxing Day… were to start? I think it’s easy for some saints fans to say ‘we made Brighton look good’ but in reality, you’ve been good all season, and in current form you’d be expecting to be beat us. You played well, and one hell of a strike from march for his first goal!

Back to Nathan Jones….

It was questionable at the time, and looks like a disaster appointment now.

Never have I in my time as a football fan seen such feelings of displeasure towards a manager so early on.

It was toxic last night, signing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc.

He basically had a pre season with 99% of our squad, to put his stamp on the squad, find the right formula… but he’s genuinely made us worse.

Persisting with 5 at the back when we don’t have the players to play that system. We’ve switched to a back 4 nearly all games he’s taken charge off, and we look so much better.. but then he goes back to a back 5?

Best thing would be for the owners to come out, hands up and admit they got it wrong and change now to give us the slightest hope of staying up…

It looks likely we are going down…

‘Can you keep up with us’ not looking great now is it?

All the best for the season

Evening!

Cheers. We are (mostly) living in dreamland with the success we're having - long may it continue! Attacking football... goals... results... what's not to like?!

With only 5 points covering the bottom 8, there's some mathematical hope there for you lot. From a football perspective, it's hard to disagree that you're doomed all the while Jones is still there though.

Who would you want to replace him? Dyche?

The Saints I know are still adamant that Hasenhuttl needed to go, despite outsiders (me included) thinking they'd perhaps revise their opinion seeing how things have gone since.
What do you reckon? Results were very poor from about Christmas 2021 seemingly, so not just the shit start to this season that did for him.

Best of luck for rest of the season!

brighton_tom · Jan 5, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
Good evening!

Thought I would come on here and post from a saints fans perspective.

Firstly, well done on a fantastic season so far ( genuinely ) even after a change of manager, I think you’ve surprised a few to carry on where potter left.

Game against you on Boxing Day… were to start? I think it’s easy for some saints fans to say ‘we made Brighton look good’ but in reality, you’ve been good all season, and in current form you’d be expecting to be beat us. You played well, and one hell of a strike from march for his first goal!

Back to Nathan Jones….

It was questionable at the time, and looks like a disaster appointment now.

Never have I in my time as a football fan seen such feelings of displeasure towards a manager so early on.

It was toxic last night, signing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc.

He basically had a pre season with 99% of our squad, to put his stamp on the squad, find the right formula… but he’s genuinely made us worse.

Persisting with 5 at the back when we don’t have the players to play that system. We’ve switched to a back 4 nearly all games he’s taken charge off, and we look so much better.. but then he goes back to a back 5?

Best thing would be for the owners to come out, hands up and admit they got it wrong and change now to give us the slightest hope of staying up…

It looks likely we are going down…

‘Can you keep up with us’ not looking great now is it?

All the best for the season

Southampton fans were singing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc?? Obviously things aren't going to plan but that feels very early for the crowd to turn like that.

With his Brighton connections a lot of our fans will have kept an eye on Nathan's managerial career, maybe with an idea that if he does well in years to come he might one day manage us. But when Southampton appointed him i'd say almost every Brighton fans reaction was 'he's not ready yet, too much of a step up, hasnt proven enough yet to show he's got what it takes..'

Was Jones first choice for the job?

ozzygull · Jan 5, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
Good evening!

Thought I would come on here and post from a saints fans perspective.

Firstly, well done on a fantastic season so far ( genuinely ) even after a change of manager, I think you’ve surprised a few to carry on where potter left.

Game against you on Boxing Day… were to start? I think it’s easy for some saints fans to say ‘we made Brighton look good’ but in reality, you’ve been good all season, and in current form you’d be expecting to be beat us. You played well, and one hell of a strike from march for his first goal!

Back to Nathan Jones….

It was questionable at the time, and looks like a disaster appointment now.

Never have I in my time as a football fan seen such feelings of displeasure towards a manager so early on.

It was toxic last night, signing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc.

He basically had a pre season with 99% of our squad, to put his stamp on the squad, find the right formula… but he’s genuinely made us worse.

Persisting with 5 at the back when we don’t have the players to play that system. We’ve switched to a back 4 nearly all games he’s taken charge off, and we look so much better.. but then he goes back to a back 5?

Best thing would be for the owners to come out, hands up and admit they got it wrong and change now to give us the slightest hope of staying up…

It looks likely we are going down…

‘Can you keep up with us’ not looking great now is it?

All the best for the season

I have started watching Southamptopn Vblogs from "MatchDayVlogs" on Youtube as I like to see the oppositions view of matches played against us.

These chaps seem very professional, die hard saints fans so I have watched a few from the latests games to get a saints fan perspective on NJ.

Unfortunatly unless there is a change soon it does not look good for guys. Like most Brighton Fans, I don't hold any bad feeling against your team apart from the 90ish mins during matches between us or there is a league one title up for grabs and someone called Nigel is managing you.

. So I hope you manage to stay up preferably at the expense of Palace, Leeds.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Swansman · Jan 5, 2023

Unless they don't spend money they don't have on players who wouldn't want to there, they're done.

willalbion · Jan 5, 2023

Dyche would keep them up I think. Also, Nathan Jones does not have a voice I'd listen to. It's... uninspiring

Hamilton · Jan 5, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
Good evening!

Thought I would come on here and post from a saints fans perspective.

Firstly, well done on a fantastic season so far ( genuinely ) even after a change of manager, I think you’ve surprised a few to carry on where potter left.

Game against you on Boxing Day… were to start? I think it’s easy for some saints fans to say ‘we made Brighton look good’ but in reality, you’ve been good all season, and in current form you’d be expecting to be beat us. You played well, and one hell of a strike from march for his first goal!

Back to Nathan Jones….

It was questionable at the time, and looks like a disaster appointment now.

Never have I in my time as a football fan seen such feelings of displeasure towards a manager so early on.

It was toxic last night, signing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc.

He basically had a pre season with 99% of our squad, to put his stamp on the squad, find the right formula… but he’s genuinely made us worse.

Persisting with 5 at the back when we don’t have the players to play that system. We’ve switched to a back 4 nearly all games he’s taken charge off, and we look so much better.. but then he goes back to a back 5?

Best thing would be for the owners to come out, hands up and admit they got it wrong and change now to give us the slightest hope of staying up…

It looks likely we are going down…

‘Can you keep up with us’ not looking great now is it?

All the best for the season

I was surprised at the appointment of Jones. I'm not sure how good he actually is, despite his relative success at Luton.

I could only assume that the Southampton board had appointed him for the future and on the understanding that the club might be rebuilding from the Championship.

Is he really that manager to do even that? Perhaps he'll surprise us all and pull you out of it. I hope he does. I don't want to see Saints or Bournemouth go down.

I'm not sure what change has really happened. You've recruited Jones, but retained Ruben Selles as first team coach, so everything has changed and nothing has changed. How can Selles have gotten onto Jones' wavelength in such a short period of time? Potter took his whole team with him because he know he had to hit the ground running. Then again, that hasn't actually worked perfectly.

If you wait around a bit, and he wants a project, you could have Potter soon. He may not last at Chelsea.

But manager-wise, I think we've learned to look in ponds that others aren't looking in. After all, who had heard of Bobby De Zerbi?

Perhaps you should consider Karel Geraerts?

Anyhow, good luck.

Whitechapel · Jan 5, 2023

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
They have just been ticking along for several seasons now. Completely uninspiring but never quite in the worst 3.

This season they actually went for an overhaul in the summer. £80m spent which is not like them at all, but the issue was a complete focus on young players coming in. In previous seasons they have integrated young exciting players into that solid team and then sold them on. They don't usually lump a chunk of them in at once. It simply hasn't worked.

This summer their top signings were:

Bazunu - 20 years old
Mara - 19
Lavia - 18
Kotchap - 20
Edozie - 19
Larios 18

We have bemoaned lack of goals before but we always had players who you thought "yeah, I could see them scoring when it clicks". Be that Trossard, Gross, Maupay, Welbeck, Mac Allister

With Southampton I see Ward-Prowse and that's it.

The crazy thing is, there’s at least 3 players there I wouldn’t mind us picking up if they went down.

- Kotchap is pretty good, and was even part of the Germany World Cup squad.

- Lavia would be an ideal back-up to Mac & Caicedo

- Edozie looked really good against us. A couple of years learning from Lallana And he could be a proper player.

The problem is dumping all 3 of them and a keeper who had never played above L1 in a team that was already pretty inexperienced. Whilst I’d be happy with any of them signing for us, they’d all be for strength in depth with an eye on the future. It’s basically the spine of Southampton’s team!

It feels like they’ve tried to do what we do and got it incredibly wrong. Lyanco, Perraud, Diallo & Aribo are all us type signings too, the problem is they’re not very good at football.

I’d genuinely think it’s an attempt to go down, regroup and come up with this young wondersquad if it wasn’t for the fact that 2/3 of the best players have a buyback clause so Man City could just pick them up for £40m if they turn out great. It’s awful.

Bowers-sfc · Jan 5, 2023

MJsGhost said:
Evening!

Cheers. We are (mostly) living in dreamland with the success we're having - long may it continue! Attacking football... goals... results... what's not to like?!

With only 5 points covering the bottom 8, there's some mathematical hope there for you lot. From a football perspective, it's hard to disagree that you're doomed all the while Jones is still there though.

Who would you want to replace him? Dyche?

The Saints I know are still adamant that Hasenhuttl needed to go, despite outsiders (me included) thinking they'd perhaps revise their opinion seeing how things have gone since.
What do you reckon? Results were very poor from about Christmas 2021 seemingly, so not just the shit start to this season that did for him.

Best of luck for rest of the season!

I personally don’t see us escaping unless there is a quick change in management.

Dyche would be an ideal appointment ( can’t believe I’m saying that ) on a short term basis.

Ralph needed to go, he was found out, as you say, about a year ago. Unfortunately the lows outweighed the highs with him, even though at times we did play good football. How many managers survive 2 9-0 losses?

Bowers-sfc · Jan 5, 2023

brighton_tom said:
Southampton fans were singing ‘Nathan Jones, what a W*nker’ sacked in the morning etc?? Obviously things aren't going to plan but that feels very early for the crowd to turn like that.

With his Brighton connections a lot of our fans will have kept an eye on Nathan's managerial career, maybe with an idea that if he does well in years to come he might one day manage us. But when Southampton appointed him i'd say almost every Brighton fans reaction was 'he's not ready yet, too much of a step up, hasnt proven enough yet to show he's got what it takes..'

Was Jones first choice for the job?

Yep, quite a few.. not just a small few pockets.

It’s early, but I do understand the opinion they have. Because he effectively had a pre season, and nothing has improved, only got worse and he’s stubborn with his back 5 idea when we don’t have the personnel for it.

Yeah, he wasn’t saints fans first choice, probably didn’t cross any of our minds until he was out there in the press.

Apparently he was the person sports republic ( our owners, and Rasmus, the ex Brentford guy… wanted ) so they’ve dropped a bollock.

Bowers-sfc · Jan 5, 2023

willalbion said:
Dyche would keep them up I think. Also, Nathan Jones does not have a voice I'd listen to. It's... uninspiring

With the greatest respect

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Bowers-sfc · Jan 5, 2023

Whitechapel said:
The crazy thing is, there’s at least 3 players there I wouldn’t mind us picking up if they went down.

- Kotchap is pretty good, and was even part of the Germany World Cup squad.

- Lavia would be an ideal back-up to Mac & Caicedo

- Edozie looked really good against us. A couple of years learning from Lallana And he could be a proper player.

The problem is dumping all 3 of them and a keeper who had never played above L1 in a team that was already pretty inexperienced. Whilst I’d be happy with any of them signing for us, they’d all be for strength in depth with an eye on the future. It’s basically the spine of Southampton’s team!

It feels like they’ve tried to do what we do and got it incredibly wrong. Lyanco, Perraud, Diallo & Aribo are all us type signings too, the problem is they’re not very good at football.

I’d genuinely think it’s an attempt to go down, regroup and come up with this young wondersquad if it wasn’t for the fact that 2/3 of the best players have a buyback clause so Man City could just pick them up for £40m if they turn out great. It’s awful.

Kotchap went off injured last night, doesn’t look good for us unfortunately

Lavia looked class before his injury, though he hasn’t played much, and may be just because he’s being cautious. It does seem he’s not going into tackles etc 100%, one to watch I think.

Edozie is showing moments of class, but also moments of clear inexperience. There’s a cracking player in there, but the fact all of our excitement relies on a 18 year old with no first team experience before this season, says a lot.

Keeper has been an issue. He’s been poor, and that’s putting it nicely. Needs taking out the firing line I think, but our back ups aren’t much better so stuck between a walk and a hard place.

Perraud actually is quite a decent left back, in my opinion. I think when livramento is fit ( you got unlucky missing out on him ) perraud proably drops to the bench with walker peters going LB

Honestly I think we had no intention of going down, and hiring Jones for that possibility. They genuinely believe / believed he is the man for the job.

Not Andy Naylor · Jan 5, 2023

I was under the impression that Selles was going to take over from Hasenhuttl and then suddenly Nathan was being mentioned. But I don't think many managers would have a chance with that squad. Not enough leaders, not enough experience, not enough goals, and Maitland-Niles not being played often enough in his favourite midfield anchor role. Whether they can grow up together in the Championship and come back stronger is a big question. I'd try to get an experienced midfield player on loan to play alongside Ward-Prowse and order the others around.

brighton_tom · Jan 5, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
Yep, quite a few.. not just a small few pockets.

It’s early, but I do understand the opinion they have. Because he effectively had a pre season, and nothing has improved, only got worse and he’s stubborn with his back 5 idea when we don’t have the personnel for it.

Yeah, he wasn’t saints fans first choice, probably didn’t cross any of our minds until he was out there in the press.

Apparently he was the person sports republic ( our owners, and Rasmus, the ex Brentford guy… wanted ) so they’ve dropped a bollock.

Being stubborn with tactics is always bad trait for a football manager.

Well there's certainly other Prem teams I would much rather see relegated, and like most Brighton fans have no ill feeling towards Southampton, so good luck! Try and send Palace or Leeds down instead if possible!

zefarelly · Jan 5, 2023

I think NJ has bitten of more than he can chew.

Or, another way of looking at it is, he was shown a lean side of the bone, the other sides bare, nothing to chew, but he bit.

It's too early in the season to make a future development appointment, accepting relegation, or is it?

Albion my Albion · Jan 5, 2023

I was looking at the posters giving thumbs to a certain post on page 2 in this thread and read:

"Couldn't be Hyypia and Javeaseagull"

I read it as "Couldn't be Happier and Jovialer."

Now try and say Jovialer 10 times real fast.

Easy 10 · Jan 5, 2023

Southampton are comfortably the worst team I have seen all season. Absolute dreck.

Eeyore · Jan 6, 2023

Bowers-sfc said:
I personally don’t see us escaping unless there is a quick change in management.

Dyche would be an ideal appointment ( can’t believe I’m saying that ) on a short term basis.

Ralph needed to go, he was found out, as you say, about a year ago. Unfortunately the lows outweighed the highs with him, even though at times we did play good football. How many managers survive 2 9-0 losses?

The current Southampton squad is good enough to stay up. So a spell with Dyche at the wheel would be the fit at this time. Long term, not so sure.

jackalbion · Jan 6, 2023

The squad is useless he doesn’t have a chance

John Byrnes Mullet · Jan 6, 2023

Jonesy should have stayed at Luton. They are on a roll and the new stadium coming.
Hasenhuttl should never have been sacked. He could walk into most clubs outside the top six.
The decisions made in the world of football are just so ridiculous at times.

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