[Albion] "Vaccine-status Certifications" may be required to attend sporting events

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Genuine question. Are we truly going to reach this step?

In my mind, "No legal limits on social contact" means no 1m+ rule, no face masks and no certification to prove you are not infected.

Full Wembley Stadium for the Euros semi and final. Packed tube trains getting there. We'll be stress testing the vaccination program. What I would say is that summer was low numbers anyway last year without the vaccine and not tonnes of restrictions

 

[Yoda]

Full Wembley Stadium for the Euros semi and final. Packed tube trains getting there. We'll be stress testing the vaccination program. What I would say is that summer was low numbers anyway last year without the vaccine and not tonnes of restrictions

But isn't the test, vaccination confirmation a "legal requirement"? Something they say will not be required for step 4.

 

[A1X]

Genuine question. Are we truly going to reach this step?

In my mind, "No legal limits on social contact" means no 1m+ rule, no face masks and no certification to prove you are not infected.

I would not be surprised if masks remained a thing for a while to come. It might not be a legal requirement but I can see them continuing in use in shops / public transport for a long time to come.

 

[Justice]

I would not be surprised if masks remained a thing for a while to come. It might not be a legal requirement but I can see them continuing in use in shops / public transport for a long time to come.

Should be for ever hardly any flu cases since mandatory mask wearing became a thing. When you think back pre covid to people sneezing and coughing all over the place on public transport it actually makes me feel sick.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Should be for ever hardly any flu cases since mandatory mask wearing became a thing.

Not having any flu classes isn’t good and something scientists are already worried about for next flu season.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/03/25/covid-pandemic-flu-shot-478065

 

[dsr-burnley]

Should be for ever hardly any flu cases since mandatory mask wearing became a thing. When you think back pre covid to people sneezing and coughing all over the place on public transport it actually makes me feel sick.

People who have regular exposure to viruses, bacteria, etc., tend to have better resistance to it than people who don't. It would be a bit of a beggar if you spent ten years avoiding flu and colds and then getting knocked out completely because of low immunity when a big does does hit you.

I find it on cruises. The antiseptically-clean are more vulnerable to norovirus food poisoning than the "five second rule" people.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

There's a lot to unpack there so I'll stick to one quick question. Why would greedy capitalists in government want perpetual lockdowns?

Boris said the quest for successful vaccinnes was driven by "greed and capatilism".
In my mind this implies that the pharmaceutical companies were in a race to create a "product"that could be sold to make a profit for their companies.
Astra zeneca to their credit opted for a more humanitarian approach and created a vaccine which they sold on with very little profit but have recently said they wouldn't do that again.
Interestingly it seems as though since the meeting between global leaders and Biden last week,the Astra zeneca jab looks as though it will now not be used for the under 40s ,paving the way for more of the high profit us vaccines to be used.
Our own government has invested heavily in factories and contracts to produce more vaccines going forward.
It feels like the vaccine industry is fast becoming "the industry" to get involved with if you want to get rich.
I imagine what the big pharmaceutical companies don't want to happen is the virus to disappear by itself as what happened with mers and sars.
The testing that's planned will ensure the virus will always be present and will work alongside Blair's traffic light system of lockdown status to shut areas of society that can only be reopened once more vaccines have been issued.
So for example the next lockdown I think will be the schools.
The testing will show that the r number is too high in schools so they will be shutdown and we will be told the only way to reopen will be if every child has the jab.
This will be an ongoing cycle for all of us for years with new strains that they will discover.
It's also worth noting that despite economies taking a battering the stock market has remained bouyant, property prices have risen and also where is all this money rishi is dishing out ending up?some rich people are getting a whole lot richer during the pandemic.
Whilst I agree that covid is real and highly dangerous I do fear that there are parts of government and industry that want to keep this going as long as possible,even if it is not necessary to do so.

 

[A1X]

Have I missed something and Tony Blair is PM again or something? I’d have expected that to be bigger news TBH.

Also MERS and SARS did not “disappear”, they mutated into harder to transmit variants but they still very much exist.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

You might have a few valid points in all that but "Tony Blair's spokesperson Michael Gove" gives it away that this is a late April Fools post. Lol.

No it wasn't a joke.
Blair said we needed vaccine passports,the government said they won't be doing that here.
But then they said Michael Gove was chairing a review into vaccine passports with advisors.
Could it be the review was pushed for and advised by
Tony Blair's institute for world change.
I think so.
This hasn't come from Gove it's all Blair.
So in my opinion on this issue Gove is indeed Blair's spokesperson.

 

[PeterOut]

"The testing that's planned will ensure the virus will always be present and will work alongside Blair's traffic light system of lockdown status to shut areas of society that can only be reopened once more vaccines have been issued."

How does testing ensure that the virus will always be present? Surely testing for an infectious disease, and advising the affected person to self-isolate, reduces transmission?

I really, really don't understand your frequent references to Tony Blair. He is not an immunologist, or medically trained in any way. He does, however, have access to advice from some seriously clever people, experts in their field. If he brings other people's thoughts together, and presents them in a simple way (if the R number is greater than 1 in that area, introduce measures (for that area only) to bring it lower than 1, for example), then fine. Like him or not, he is more likely to be listened to than Betty the hairdresser, or Fred the fishmonger.
Reducing the R number to less than 1 is exactly what SAGE has been advsing the government to do, in different ways, for over a year.

It would be so much easier to follow your points if you could provide a link to prove the points that you make.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

No it wasn't a joke.
Blair said we needed vaccine passports,the government said they won't be doing that here.
But then they said Michael Gove was chairing a review into vaccine passports with advisors.
Could it be the review was pushed for and advised by
Tony Blair's institute for world change.
I think so.
This hasn't come from Gove it's all Blair.
So in my opinion on this issue Gove is indeed Blair's spokesperson.

Blimey, mate ! You need a beer...quick

 

[A1X]

 

[Guinness Boy]

No it wasn't a joke.
Blair said we needed vaccine passports,the government said they won't be doing that here.
But then they said Michael Gove was chairing a review into vaccine passports with advisors.
Could it be the review was pushed for and advised by
Tony Blair's institute for world change.
I think so.
This hasn't come from Gove it's all Blair.
So in my opinion on this issue Gove is indeed Blair's spokesperson.

Christ on a bike.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No it wasn't a joke.
Blair said we needed vaccine passports,the government said they won't be doing that here.
But then they said Michael Gove was chairing a review into vaccine passports with advisors.
Could it be the review was pushed for and advised by
Tony Blair's institute for world change.
I think so.
This hasn't come from Gove it's all Blair.
So in my opinion on this issue Gove is indeed Blair's spokesperson.

A pint of what you’ve had please!

 

[Eric Potts]

A pint of what you’ve had please!

It wasn't beer . He's taken The Red Pill.

 

[ken tiler]

"Danes will have to show proof of vaccination, proof of earlier infection or a recent negative test to access services such as hairdressers, restaurants and cinemas
Sweden has been considering similar plans."

Someone said that the risks to the under 80s if healthy are very small........I would try telling that to my friend who recently lost his otherwise healthy wife to Covid. She was 60ish.

It was me - about the risk level of COVID. I’m only repeating the words of the government s chief spokesman. Chris Whitty at a press conference. It’s vey sad when anyone dies. However, you cannot reasonably expect everyone to take an injection which has not finished its phase three trials if they regard the risks of taking it to be greater than the benefits. I’d like you to tell the families of otherwise fit under 50 year olds who have died as a result of blood clots after receiving the Pfizer vaccine for example.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It was me - about the risk level of COVID. I’m only repeating the words of the government s chief spokesman. Chris Whitty at a press conference. It’s vey sad when anyone dies. However, you cannot reasonably expect everyone to take an injection which has not finished its phase three trials if they regard the risks of taking it to be greater than the benefits. I’d like you to tell the families of otherwise fit under 50 year olds who have died as a result of blood clots after receiving the Pfizer vaccine for example.

There aren’t any reported blood clots from the Pfizer vaccine.
There are 7 reported blood clots with causality associated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine.
There are 126000 deaths in the UK from Covid and you think the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits ? Never read anything so ridiculous in my life.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There aren’t any reported blood clots from the Pfizer vaccine.
There are 7 reported blood clots with causality associated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine.
There are 126000 deaths in the UK from Covid and you think the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits ? Never read anything so ridiculous in my life.

I'd have said the same thing myself had I not just read and responded to post #209 on this very thread

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I'd have said the same thing myself had I not just read and responded to post #209 on this very thread

I am certainly bemused by posts 192, 207 and 209. You make a very fair point but I rather assumed there was either an excess or a shortage of involved in those

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Have I missed something and Tony Blair is PM again or something? I’d have expected that to be bigger news TBH.

Also MERS and SARS did not “disappear”, they mutated into harder to transmit variants but they still very much exist.

tony Blair is advising the government on vaccine policy and has been pushing the concept of global vaccine passport to all the world's media for some time now and is aiming to use the UK's status in the G7 to lead the way.
So the government had previously said no to vaccine passports but since Blair has been advising them they now say yes.
Blair's influence on this government regarding covid policy making is very large at the moment as it is with other governments too.
Yes apologies my wording was not accurate regarding mers and SARS, indeed they are still around but they didn't reach pandemic levels thank goodness.